Chapel Street,St Pancras,Marylebone

[vita]

On 1841 census g/g/g/grandparents are shown at Chapel Street, St Pancras, Marylebone. Can anyone please confirm this is the Chapel Street renamed Tottenham Street, off Tottenham Court Rd?

[kiterunner]

Can you post some more details of the 1841 census entry please, Vita, so we can look at it? Such as piece number, enumerator's book number, folio, page, or a link to the image on ancestry, or the names and ages of your 3xg-grandparents?

[Phoenix]

Sure it isn't still Chapel Street?

Mate & I are hunting the location of the St Pancras Congregational Chapel (now demolished) and we concluded it must be near the modern Chapel Street off Marylebone Road.

Tottenham Street was in existence in the 1840s as the people we were interested in had children baptised from there.

[vita]

Can you post some more details of the 1841 census entry please, Vita, so we can look at it? Such as piece number, enumerator's book number, folio, page, or a link to the image on ancestry, or the names and ages of your 3xg-grandparents?

Thanks Kite - I've got Piece 685 Book/Folio 16/8 p 11

Thomas Headland 55 b 1786

Christiana 50 b 1791

Emma 15 b 1826

Alfred 10 b 1831

Need to establish for definite which Chapel St it was - so many of these old

London Streets were renamed, weren't they?

[vita]

Sure it isn't still Chapel Street?

Mate & I are hunting the location of the St Pancras Congregational Chapel (now demolished) and we concluded it must be near the modern Chapel Street off Marylebone Road.

Tottenham Street was in existence in the 1840s as the people we were interested in had children baptised from there.

No, not sure at all any more! Got myself in a right 2&8!

[Phoenix]

NB - does Ancestry provide links to enumeration district descriptions any more? Was trying to do this at the weekend and could not work out how. That should say what area was covered.

[Shona]

This is a description from Charles Booth's notebooks when he mapped the levels of poverty in London streets:

http://booth.lse.ac.uk/notebooks/b356/jpg/127.html

This entry suggests it's a continuation of Charlton Street.

Then there is this answer from Roots Chat:

Why can't I find Carlton St, St Pancras?
I think you are looking for Charlton Street, this runs north from Euston Road and is halfway between St. Pancras Station and Euston Station when the road reaches the end of the South Camden Community School (the school was formerly Sir William Collins and before that Medburn Street School ) it turns east and runs for another two hundred yards and finishes at Goldington Crescent.

Up until the seventies or eighties Charlton Street ended at the end of the school where Werrington Street was, but then part of Werrington Street was built over and now it only runs parallel with Charlton Street.

[Shona]

This entry is from Survey of London, Vol 21 - Parish of St Pancras part 3: Tottenham Court Road and neighbourhood:

TOTTENHAM STREET

(East end of street formerly Chapel Street)

The name Tottenham Street has remained unchanged except for the eastern portion, between Whitfield Street and Tottenham Court Road, which was formerly known as Chapel Street. The numbering is from east to west, the even numbers being on the north and the odd on the south.

[kiterunner]

Here is the description of the enumeration district:
Enumeration District 16a on ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8978/MDXHO107_685_685-0186/7451059?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1841%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d2%26msT%3d1%26gss %3dms_db%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln_x%3dXO%26dbOnly%3d_F 000391C%257c_F000391C_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0003039%257c_ F0003039_x%26dbOnly%3d_F000303A%257c_F000303A_x%26 dbOnly%3d_F00032DB%257c_F00032DB_x%26dbOnly%3d_F00 02996%257c_F0002996_x%26dbOnly%3d_F000303D%257c_F0 00303D_x%26dbOnly%3d_F000303E%257c_F000303E_x%26_F 0003039%3d685%26_F0003039_x%3d1%26_F000303A%3d8%26 _F000303A_x%3d1%26_F00032DB%3d11%26_F00032DB_x%3d1 %26_F0002996_x%3d1%26uidh%3dvm5%26_F0002996%3d16&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults#?imageId=MDXHO107_68 5_685-0178)

Superintendant Registrar's District Saint Pancras
Registrar's District Somers Town
No of Enumeration District 16
Description of ditto: All that part of the parish of St Pancras comprising Chapel Street, the Grove, Newman's Place, Suter's Buildings, Denton's Buildings, Middlesex Place and Middlesex Court (thickly inhabited)

[vita]

This entry is from Survey of London, Vol 21 - Parish of St Pancras part 3: Tottenham Court Road and neighbourhood:

TOTTENHAM STREET

(East end of street formerly Chapel Street)

The name Tottenham Street has remained unchanged except for the eastern portion, between Whitfield Street and Tottenham Court Road, which was formerly known as Chapel Street. The numbering is from east to west, the even numbers being on the north and the odd on the south.

That's what I'd seen, Shona - thanks for your input too, Kite.

[kiterunner]

I think it is the street in the bottom right-hand corner of this old map; you can only see "apel S" on this part of the map but if you click to view the "adjacent region" you can see a "Ch" which I think belongs to the same road:
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/snow/1859map/map1859_d-f_13-15.html

[kiterunner]

In which case it looks to me as though the British Library was built on the site; is that right? Or St Pancras Railway Station?

Anyway, it isn't the Tottenham St one because that wasn't in Somers Town.

[Phoenix]

Agrees with Kite. The area is thoroughly mashed up now. Though the old goods yard - the big red blob on the map - is being regenerated, with lots of the old brickwork being kept. We had a walk in the area last week, taking in the goods yard and Old St Pancras church.

[vita]

That brilliant, Kite - confirms what I thought in the first place before I got seriously

side tracked by the other Chapel Streets. This one is now known as Chapel Market, I

believe.

[Shona]

Here is Charles Booth's poverty map of the area compared with the modern map.

http://booth.lse.ac.uk/cgi-bin/do.pl?sub=view_booth_and_barth&m.l=0&m.d.l=0&m.p.x=7689&m.p.y=5261&m.p.w=500&m.p.h=309&m.p.l=0&m.t.w=128&m.t.h=80&b.p.x=12870&b.p.y=5797&b.p.w=500&b.p.h=309&b.p.l=1&m.move.left.x=4&m.move.left.y=5

I love touring the Booth maps. :)

[Shona]

In which case it looks to me as though the British Library was built on the site; is that right? Or St Pancras Railway Station?

The Charles Booth notebooks say that Chapel Street was the old street market until shortened by railway extensions.

[vita]

Mine lot moved there from Uxbridge around 1815/20. I see it had an early reputation as a

respectable professional address until overcrowding took over.

[vita]

"Mine lot??????" Sorry!