Isabella Webster married Peter Faux/Fuchs 1871 father James

[ElizabethHerts]

Looking for this woman and her family prior to her mariiage, which is on Ancestry.

Her father was given as a sawyer. In later censuses she says she was born at Deptford. Was her father working in the dockyard? He could gave been from anywhere.

[Phoenix]

Gut feeling, with a name like Isabella, I'd be looking for roots in Sunderland or further north. There was a huge amount of coastal traffic between Rotherhithe, Deptford, Greenwich and the North East.

[ElizabethHerts]

Thanks, Phoenix. We had thought along similar lines.

My daughter is researching her husband's family. Peter Fuchs (later Fox) was a German baker

[ElizabethHerts]

Oh dear, I've found I posted this a few years ago. No progress since then.

[Phoenix]

Did you dismiss the Isabel b 1846 Bethnal Green d of James Webster engineer, mother Maria b Wandsworth? in 1851.

[ElizabethHerts]

I can't remember, Phoenix. Not at home, so no access to my records at present. I'll investigate though.

[Merry]

I'm just going to bed, but here's a clue to play with......

1871 census 18 Ware St Shoreditch (address from Isabella's 1871 marriage cert)

George Phillips head M 26 cabinet maker b Spitalfields
Sarah A wife m 25 b ditto
George son 5 b Bethnal Green
Isabella dau 3 b Shoreditch
William son 1 ditto
Henry brother m 25 Couch (?) carver b Spitalfields
Elizabeth wife 24 b ditto
Elizabeth dau 5 b ditto
Henry son 3 b ditto

as George and Sarah's dau is Isabella, I looked for a marriage and......


Marriages Dec 1864
CAREY Rosalinda Jane Newington 1d 256
Gooch William Weldon Newington 1d 256
Phillips George Newington 1d 256
Webster Sarah Ann Newington 1d 256

According to the marriage LMA entry her father is the engineer Phoenix found (on the other thread??)

[Merry]

Oh and this thread lol

[kiterunner]

Mother's name Maria looks good as your Isabella has a daughter Maria on the 1881 census.

[kiterunner]

The James married to Maria is some kind of sawyer in 1861!

1861 census (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8767/SRYRG9_329_331-0532/6141154?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1861%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26msT%3d1%26gss%3dangs-d%26gsfn%3dmaria%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dw*bs*r%26g sln_x%3dXO%26msbdy%3d1830%26msbdy_x%3d1%26dbOnly%3 d_F0005DFB%257c_F0005DFB_x%252c_F0005DFC%257c_F000 5DFC_x%252c_F0007B87%257c_F0007B87_x%252c_F0007B88 %257c_F0007B88_x%252c_F000597C%257c_F000597C_x%252 c_83004006%257c_83004006_x%252c_F0005DFD%257c_F000 5DFD_x%252c_F0007989%257c_F0007989_x%26uidh%3dvm5% 26msbdp%3d5%26gl%3d%26gst%3d%26hc%3d10%26fh%3d10%2 6fsk%3dBEDmZmYIgAAiPwEHrRY-61-&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

Think that settles it!

Oh, and there are possibles for Isabella on the 1861 and 1871 censuses as servant - in 1861 age 16 born Aldgate, in 1871 age 23 born London.

[Merry]

some kind of sawyer in 1861

Mill sawyer??

[Phoenix]

It occurs to me that Maria is probably a second wife. She is very young indeed to be Sarah Ann's mother.

Marriages Sep 1849
Beck Maria Newington 4 414
WEBSTER James Newington 4 414

This marriage is on Ancestry. Does it show James as a widower?

[kiterunner]

This marriage is on Ancestry. Does it show James as a widower?

Yes, it does.

[Phoenix]

Very odd. Maria Beck b c 1831, Wandsworth is with father William Beck in 1851. Can there be two Maria Becks, born Wandsworth with fathers William? (I realise that she wouldn't be family, but she might be the reason for a family unit scattering.) Or William might just have listed all his children.

[kiterunner]

Very odd. Maria Beck b c 1831, Wandsworth is with father William Beck in 1851. Can there be two Maria Becks, born Wandsworth with fathers William? (I realise that she wouldn't be family, but she might be the reason for a family unit scattering.) Or William might just have listed all his children.


She is down as married, so I guess either she was visiting her parents or they just put down the names of all their children. But they forgot to put in her married surname! It must be the right family because William is a Block Cutter, and on Maria's marriage cert he is a Print Cutter. Also the witnesses are William Beck and Eliza Beck, and on the census the mother and one of the sisters are called Eliza.

[Phoenix]

I've just found your 1861 reference. So the family was always on the move. It would be a challenge to know where you had been born.

[Merry]

Sarah Ann Webster is 6 in 1851, b Spitalfields. There's a bap that fits:

21 Dec 1845 Christ Church Spitalfields
father James engineer
mother Sarah
Address Mile End New Town

There's a marriage
2 Jun 1844 Poplar
both full age, address for both Poplar
James engineer bachelor
father James engineer
Sarah Ellen Reid spinster
father Charles Arthur Reid inspector of gas works
witnesses John and Ann Elizabeth Webster
everyone signed

[Merry]

Reid is probably Reed, sorry.

[Merry]

There are a lot of children baptised as sons and daughters of Charles and Dorothy Reed, mostly in Tower Hamlets, 1818 to 1835. One is for Sarah Ellen in 1823 and one has father's middle name Arthur in 1830. The last one (not looked at all) has father Charles, Gas Inspector.

[ElizabethHerts]

Many thanks for your replies. Not ignoring you but on holiday.

It all looks promising. Will post later.

[ElizabethHerts]

Hurrah I think we have her, thank you as I have been trying for ages to find her - the Deptford birth confused me! This is wonderful (Elizabeth's daughter).

[Merry]

Yeh!!!!!! :D:d:d:d