Can anyone find this couple please?

[Gert in Oz]

Catharine Hill age 20 married Joseph Murphy age 22, May 10 1856 at St Marys, St denys and St George Manchester

Joseph was a cigar maker, Catharine had no occupation

Grooms father was James Murphy.. a spinner

Brides father was Edward Hill.. a smith

Witnesses were, Charles Vaughan and Phoebe Ann Anderton.

Catharine was born Manchester, I have no idea about Joseph

Can anyone see them after this marriage please

[Merry]

This is from fmp 1861, but the wife appears to have the wrong first name. Could Catherine have died?:

JOSEPH MURPHY BOARDER MARRIED Male 26 1835 CIGAR MAKER MANCHESTER, LANCASHIRE

ELIZABETH MURPHY WIFE MARRIED Female 23 1838 - MANCHESTER, LANCASHIRE

ISABELLA MURPHY DAUGHTER UNMARRIED Female 4 1857 SCHOLAR MANCHESTER, LANCASHIRE

EDWARD ALBERT MURPHY SON - Male 0 1861 - MANCHESTER, LANCASHIRE


I cant view the image at the moment. Do you need it found on Ancestry?

[Gert in Oz]

Thanks for looking Merry, I hadn`t thought of that, she could have I suppose.

[Gert in Oz]

Thanks,I have fmp,Merry

[Merry]

There's a baptism in Manchester for Isabella Murphy the dau of Joseph and Catherine, but not until 1860 and as it's a transcription there's no address etc to see if it relates to Isabella aged 4 in 1861.

[Merry]

Joseph Murphy widower cigar maker, son of James remarried in 1859 to Elizabeth Drinkle (image on ancestry)

[Gert in Oz]

Theres a couple of possible deaths 1857 and 1858 and a possible marriage to a Elizabeth Drinkle in 1859, will have to investigate further.

[Gert in Oz]

Joseph Murphy widower cigar maker, son of James remarried in 1859 to Elizabeth Drinkle (image on ancestry)

Ah, so it looking more like Catherine did die then.

[Shona]

There a death of a Catherine Murphy in Manchester in second quarter of 1858.

[Shona]

This looks like her burial (from Ancestry):

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2963/40364_633870_2928-00026/565227?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dmanchesterburialscro%26so%3d2 %26pcat%3d34%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d1%26msT %3d1%26gss%3dangs-c%26gsfn%3dcatherine%26gsfn_x%3dNN%26gsln%3dmurphy %26gsln_x%3dNN%26msddy%3d1858%26msddy_x%3d1%26cpxt %3d1%26catBucket%3drstp%26uidh%3dfpy%26cp%3d11&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

Catherine Murphy, buried 25 April 1858, age 22 years, Hulme.

[Gert in Oz]

Thanks Shona, theres also one in 1st Q 1857,thinkI need to look for a birth reg for Isabella.

[Gert in Oz]

This looks like her burial (from Ancestry):

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2963/40364_633870_2928-00026/565227?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dmanchesterburialscro%26so%3d2 %26pcat%3d34%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d1%26msT %3d1%26gss%3dangs-c%26gsfn%3dcatherine%26gsfn_x%3dNN%26gsln%3dmurphy %26gsln_x%3dNN%26msddy%3d1858%26msddy_x%3d1%26cpxt %3d1%26catBucket%3drstp%26uidh%3dfpy%26cp%3d11&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

Catherine Murphy, buried 25 April 1858, age 22 years, Hulme.

That does sound like the right person, thanks Shona.

[Shona]

There's a baptism in Manchester for Isabella Murphy the dau of Joseph and Catherine, but not until 1860 and as it's a transcription there's no address etc to see if it relates to Isabella aged 4 in 1861.

The image is on Ancestry.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2960/40364_636672_2116-00056/2362072?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3findiv%3d1%26db%3dmanchesterbaptism scro%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d1%26msT%3d1%26g ss%3dangs-d%26gsfn%3disabella%26gsfn_x%3dNN%26gsln%3dmurphy% 26gsln_x%3dNN%26gskw%3dlancashire%26gskw_x%3d1%26c pxt%3d1%26catBucket%3drstp%26uidh%3dfpy%26cp%3d11% 26pcat%3d34%26fh%3d0%26h%3d2362072%26recoff%3d11%2 b12%2b34%2b46%26ml_rpos%3d1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord

Isabella Murphy, baptised 27 May 1860, daughter of Joseph and Catherine, Chapel Street, Salford, father's occ, cigar maker.

This is the right Joseph, as he is a cigar maker, but Catherine died in 1858 and he was a widower when he married Elizabeth in 1859.

[Gert in Oz]

Ah, beautiful. thanks again to you both.