Surrey Records - ancestry

[kiterunner]

Surrey Land Tax Records 1780-1832 (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=4792)
Surrey Jury-Qualified Freeholders and Copyholders 1696-1824 (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=4833)
Surrey Licensed Victuallers 1785-1903 (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=4835)

These include parts of Surrey which are now in London.

I'm sure that the Freeholders and Copyholders and the Licensed Victuallers (but not the Land Tax Records) were indexed by the World Archives Project, but it doesn't seem to say so in the information about these databases. So it should let you view the transcriptions for those two databases even if you don't have a paid sub. Please let me know if it doesn't do this and I will ask WAP what's going on.

[kiterunner]

Also the parish registers have been updated.

[Phoenix]

Thanks, Kite!!

How I wish my Surrey ancestors weren't impoverished ag labs. Indexes to Land Tax have been available for years, so I knew they weren't there, but there doesn't appear to be a single freeholder or LV either.

[kiterunner]

Ooh, lots of mine in the Land Tax Records. And one or two in the freeholders.

[kiterunner]

I am finding a lot of Land Tax Record entries where the transcriber has given a title of Sir to the occupier instead of the owner!

[Sue from Southend]

I've found the names of several ancestors on these indexes, which is great but I knew that they lived in those places or were Licensed Victuallers. Are there further, more detailed records at an Archive somewhere? Talking about Lambeth and surrounding area mainly and a few in Mitcham.

[kiterunner]

What kind of records in particular are you after, Sue?

[Sue from Southend]

Sorry, perhaps I didn't make myself very clear. I wondered if the Land Tax index and the Licensed Victuallers index led to further records related to those indices. Or were they just lists produced to show that each person on the list had paid the relevant money?

[kiterunner]

Oh, I see. These aren't indexes, but the actual registers.

[Sue from Southend]

Thanks Kite. I was hoping that there might be more information leading from these new records but just clutching at straws as usual!

[Mary from Italy]

Also the parish registers have been updated.

Oh good, they have Croydon now. Still no Penge, though :(

[ElizabethHerts]

Just back from Yorkshire with (Tenterfield) Julie so I've only just looked at these.
The Land Tax Records record my ancestor George White of Guildford through the years, just fantastic.

[kiterunner]

Some new Surrey records on ancestry, from the Borough of Sutton:
Sutton Baptisms, Marriages and Burials 1538-1812 (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=60946)
Sutton Baptisms 1813-1915 (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=60947)
Sutton Marriages and Banns 1754-1940 (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=60948)
Sutton Burials 1813-1985 (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=60949)
Sutton Tax Collection Rate Books 1783-1914 (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=60951)
Sutton Electoral Registers 1931-1970 (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=60950)
Beddington Royal Female Orphanage List of Children 1890-1913 (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=60953)

[kiterunner]

I've been waiting for the images of the Beddington parish registers for so long! Glad to see them at last. I've already found one wrong marriage I had in my tree...

[kiterunner]

Found lots of burials I didn't have before.

[kiterunner]

The Sutton PR's in post #13 have just been updated.

[Kit]

thanks Kate. OH has people in that area, I'll have another look soon.

[kiterunner]

The Surrey parish registers have just been updated (not the Sutton ones, but the "Surrey" ones.)

[James18]

The Surrey parish registers have just been updated (not the Sutton ones, but the "Surrey" ones.)
Thanks, Kate. Any idea which parishes?

[kiterunner]

They never (or almost never) say exactly what has been updated, James.

[Ann from Sussex]

Thanks Kate. I'm off to see if they have the elusive marriage of my 4xgt grandparents, Hugh and Keturah Daniels who lived in Rotherhithe in the early 1800s. All their children were baptised there but there is no marriage record that I can find. I don't hold out much hope but it's worth a try.

[Ann from Sussex]

Zero matches. Well, there's a surprise.....

[James18]

I was my great aunt's first marriage would be there now. No luck. :(

[Phoenix]

Thanks Kate. I'm off to see if they have the elusive marriage of my 4xgt grandparents, Hugh and Keturah Daniels who lived in Rotherhithe in the early 1800s. All their children were baptised there but there is no marriage record that I can find. I don't hold out much hope but it's worth a try.

My gut feeling would be Norfolk, Yorkshire, Durham, Scotland. Or Hampshire.

People gravitated to Rotherhithe from all over, but mainly along shipping routes.

[Phoenix]

I was my great aunt's first marriage would be there now. No luck. :(

Can you find the marriage in civil registration? Something that recent may well have not been in a c of e church.

[Phoenix]

Given that the spinster in this register could not write, have you discounted this, Ann:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1623/31280_195085-00508/2365972?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dlmamarriages%26so%3d2%26pcat% 3dBMD_MARRIAGE%26_phsrc%3dsXh4754%26_phstart%3dsuc cessSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26gss%3dangs-c%26new%3d1%26gsfn%3dhugh%26gsfn_x%3dNP%26gsln%3dd aniels%26gsln_x%3dNP%26MSAV%3d1%26uidh%3d9vh%26ran k%3d1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

[Ann from Sussex]

My gut feeling would be Norfolk, Yorkshire, Durham, Scotland. Or Hampshire.

People gravitated to Rotherhithe from all over, but mainly along shipping routes.
Hugh was from Wales and he had a shop in Rotherhithe. 8 of their 9 children were born there and baptised at St Mary's, Rotherhithe. The 9th was born after they crossed the river to Limehouse but they still brought her back to Rotherhithe to be baptised, making me think maybe that was where they had married which made it special to them. There was a Keturah Witts born/baptised in Rotherhithe at about the right time for her to be my rellie but I found a marriage record for her.....so the search goes on!
Given that the spinster in this register could not write, have you discounted this, Ann:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1623/31280_195085-00508/2365972?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dlmamarriages%26so%3d2%26pcat% 3dBMD_MARRIAGE%26_phsrc%3dsXh4754%26_phstart%3dsuc cessSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26gss%3dangs-c%26new%3d1%26gsfn%3dhugh%26gsfn_x%3dNP%26gsln%3dd aniels%26gsln_x%3dNP%26MSAV%3d1%26uidh%3d9vh%26ran k%3d1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

Yes, thanks Phoenix. I investigated that one when the LMA records first went on Ancestry because Keturah and Catherine have the same root. However, as I recall, without searching out my records, that Catherine died around 1815, meaning she couldn't be Keturah. Keturah had her last child in 1818, appears in various later records and I have her death certificate from 1841.

[Phoenix]

Interesting that she was so much younger than her husband. I looked to see whether poor law records gave any clues, but they didn't.

[Ann from Sussex]

I have followed this couple through every record I can find. They were in and out of the workhouse a few times towards the end of Keturah's life but the records don't give any clue as to her origins. I have reason to believe the marriage registers for St Mary's, Rotherhithe from the last few years of the 18th century are lost. I estimate that is when they would have married as their first child was born in 1800....if they WERE married, of course!

[James18]

Can you find the marriage in civil registration? Something that recent may well have not been in a c of e church.
Yeah, I just don't have the image scan, which I do for her second marriage. It's definitely not on Ancestry, as I've tried searching for a variety of different spellings on the off-chance it's just been mistranscribed.

I've no idea why it isn't on Ancestry, but I suppose not all records are. Can't think why it wouldn't have been CofE.

[Mary from Italy]

I was surprised to see how many of my ancestors married in register offices in the early days of civil registration. I think quite a few of them were non-conformists.