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Where would I look for passenger lists from UK to USA circa 1833/4?
I can access a number of records on Ancestry - world sub.
kiterunner
06-05-14, 17:17
You have to look for arrivals at America rather than departures from the UK at that date. Ancestry is a good place to look, as Shona says, also FamilySearch have some.
:D:D:D Thanks Shona!
I'm looking for David and Deborah MAYNARD. They married 22nd Jan 1833 at Whittlesford, Cambridgeshire.
David died 14th August 1834 at Albany, New York.
I presume they all travelled together - the whole family were (ages approx.):
David aged 34 (carpenter)
Deborah 32
Children from David's previous marriage:
Theophilus John 12
Emma Rebecca 10
Joseph George 9
Ann 7
David 6
Ebenezer 4
Also, David and Deborah had a child, Frankenah, but I don't know which country she was born in - or possibly on the ship. She died in 1836 aged 2.
Also Deborah had a son called Thomas ASHCROFT who would have been about 10.
They left one child behind - Laura who was aged 6 months when her father remarried.
Laura was supposed to have emigrated to join her family in 1849. (and when she arrived they hated her for being allowed to stay here, as if she had a choice!)
You have to look for arrivals at America rather than departures from the UK at that date. Ancestry is a good place to look, as Shona says, also FamilySearch have some.
I don't have a world sub for ancestry any more, but I could look at FS if I knew where to look :o
I can't find anything on FS :o
kiterunner
06-05-14, 18:38
New Orleans Passenger Lists 1820-1945 (https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1916009)
Baltimore Passenger Lists Index 1820-1897 (https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2173933)
Baltimore Passenger Lists 1820-1948 (https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2018318)
Boston Passenger Lists 1820-1891 (https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1860873)
New York Passenger Lists Index 1820-1846 (https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1919703)
New York Passenger Lists 1820-1891 (https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1849782)
Philadelphia Passenger Lists Index 1800-1906 (https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2173965)
Philadelphia Passenger Lists 1800-1882 (https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1908535)
Index to Passenger Arrivals Atlantic and Gulf Ports 1820-1874 (https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1921756)
These may not be fully (or at all) indexed, but you can browse images.
kiterunner
06-05-14, 18:54
Here are the Maynards arriving in New York on the "Franklin" 9 Jun 1834:
Family Search New York Passenger Lists image 272 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-16946-6337-14?cc=1849782&wc=MX62-LM3:165725801)
I don't think they have been indexed yet on FS so I got the date etc from ancestry and browsed to it on there.
Well, I thought it was them but a lot of the names are not quite as expected?
kiterunner
06-05-14, 18:59
The nearest I can find for Laura at the moment on either site is a Louisa Maynard arriving in New York 24 Aug 1848 on the Java, age 15, but she is with an Ann age 30. This one is actually indexed on FS:
New York Passenger Lists image 1076 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-16954-52015-53?cc=1849782)
Well it must be them because Thomas Ashcroft is there with them!
I just need to save the image as it's refusing to stay still on my screen!!
Thank you :):):)
The nearest I can find for Laura at the moment on either site is a Louisa Maynard arriving in New York 24 Aug 1848 on the Java, age 15, but she is with an Ann age 30. This one is actually indexed on FS:
New York Passenger Lists image 1076 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-16954-52015-53?cc=1849782)
Oops sorry, I missed this post.
I think Laura must have travelled either alone or with someone named other than Maynard as all the rest of her family remained either here in England or were already in America.
I will go through the ages of those children and try and work out who should be who - the names and even the number of children seem pretty incorrect! I have dates of birth for all the children from their baptism records.
"Franklin" 9 Jun 1834
Name at bap & dob.........age 9 Jun 1834...passenger name...age/sex ship's list
Theophilus John.15.10.21....12y 7mths........Thomas............13y 2mths M
Emma Rebecca .21.02.23....11y 3mths........Edward.............11y 5mths M
Joseph George..16.09.24......9y 8mths.........Jane..................9y 1mth F
Ann.................14.05.26......8y 0mths.........Ann...................7y F
David..............30.10.27......6y 7mths..........David................6y 9mths M
Ebenezer.........27.01.29......5y 4mths..........Ellen.................4y F
I don't have another child here....................Charles..............1y 2mths M
Laura..............22.06.32......1y 11mths.......didn't travel
Thomas Ashcroft abt 1823....abt 10y...........Thomas Ashcroft..10y
The above is for me to look at later when I have more time. However, it would be helpful if someone could check I've worked out the ages from birth to 9th June 1834 correctly.
I'm wondering if Charles is another child belonging to Deborah Ashcroft as it's not possible for him to be a child of David's first wife if all the dates are at least roughly right.
Back this evening.
EDIT - two corrections made.
kiterunner
07-05-14, 13:48
"Franklin" 9 Jun 1834
Name at bap & dob.........age 9 Jun 1834...passenger name...age/sex ship's list
Theophilus John.15.10.21....12y 7mths........Thomas............13y 2mths M
Emma Rebecca .21.02.23....11y 3mths........Edward.............11y 5mths M
Joseph George..16.09.24......9y 8mths.........Jane..................9y 1mth F
Ann.................14.05.26......8y 0mths.........Ann...................7y F
David..............30.10.27......6y 7mths..........David................6y 9mths M
Ebenezer.........27.01.29......5y 4mths..........Ellen.................4y F
I don't have another child here....................Charles..............1y 2mths M
Laura..............22.06.32......0y 11mths.......didn't travel
Thomas Ashcroft abt 1833....abt 10y...........Thomas Ashcroft..10y
The above is for me to look at later when I have more time. However, it would be helpful if someone could check I've worked out the ages from birth to 9th June 1834 correctly.
I'm wondering if Charles is another child belonging to Deborah Ashcroft as it's not possible for him to be a child of David's first wife if all the dates are at least roughly right.
Back this evening.
Assume you mean that Thomas Ashcroft was born 1823, not 1833? Also Laura would be 1 yr 11 months, not 0 yr 11 months.
Thanks Kate, I knew I would get something wrong! Probably would have noticed Thomas eventally, but maybe not Laura.
EDIT: I'm going to edit my earlier post now.
Merry, I cheated with a computer date calculator and came up with these results:
Theophilus John 15.10.21 13 years, 26 days
Emma Rebecca 21.02.23 11 years, 3 months, 20 days
Joseph George 16.09.24 9 years, 8 months, 25 days
Ann 14.05.26 8 years, 27 days
David 30.10.27 6 years, 7 months, 11 days
Ebenezer 27.01.29 5 years, 4 months, 14 days
Laura 22.06.32 1 year, 11 months, 19 days
Kate already mentioned Laura, so I guess my only question is Theophilus John.
Theophilus John 15.10.21 13 years, 26 days
Surely 13 years and 26 days after 15th Oct 1821 would be some time in November 1834 not June 1834?
I'm still trying to work out who Charles is! (never minding the other children who are the wrong sex!!)
Sorry, Merry! Some days I should just never get out of bed. :o :o :o
12 years, 7 months, 25 days is the right answer if I am not still mistaken.
Wonder what I did before??? Think I'll go back to doing these in my head! :rolleyes:
lol Janet! I thought perhaps you had reversed the date and month until I realised we don't have 15 months in a year!! :o
I have a world sub if needed. Just ask slowly in simple English. I'm fine at tasks set for a brain similar to that of an 8 year old male.....lol
lol Libby! Thanks.
I'm hoping people with a world sub might be able to help me find further info on the Maynard family in America. I do have a little info already - some from census and some from letters home to England. I don't have time to post everything all at once here, so maybe we can do them one at a time, as in general much of the family split up as soon as they were able to so it's unlikely finding info on one person will lead to any of the others.
Firstly, Deborah Maynard (nee Ashcroft)
Deborah remarried someone called Wright and had two children, Robert Walter (or possibly Walker) Wright abt 1837 (New York State) and Ann Wright abt 1840 (Michigan).
I have them on the 1850 census in Detroit. Deborah's husband is not there. I don't know anything more about this little family group except that the son is refered to as Walter on the census rather than Robert (I wondered if his father was Robert Wright?). Robert Walter/Walker Wright's full name appears in the letters home so I don't know how accurate that info is.
I'll post next about Theophilus John a bit later.
Actually, I should have started with David Maynard senr - I have nothing to prove that death date in New York State. I don't know where the info came from.
kiterunner
08-05-14, 07:30
Actually, I should have started with David Maynard senr - I have nothing to prove that death date in New York State. I don't know where the info came from.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=MAY&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GSst=36&GScntry=4&GSsr=4201&GRid=91854827&
kiterunner
08-05-14, 08:19
Here is Robert Walter Wright's marriage (fourth from bottom of page):
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11049-153106-73?cc=1452395
kiterunner
08-05-14, 08:43
The 1850 census entry, so we have it to hand@
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11132-97958-26?cc=1401638
Is Thos Lete the same person as Thomas Ashcroft, do you know? Age 27 in 1850, cabinet maker, born England.
kiterunner
08-05-14, 09:02
The 1840 US Census has a head of household Robert Wright at Redford, Wayne Co, Michigan, 1 male age 30-40, 2 age 10-15, 1 age 5-10 and 1 under 5, 1 female age 30-40 and 1 under 5. Possible for Deborah's husband if you are right about him being a Robert.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=MAY&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GSst=36&GScntry=4&GSsr=4201&GRid=91854827&
That is fantastic, Kate - thank you so much.
I see the second inscription is for Frankenah Wright Maynard with a date of death a year earlier and different date than I had. I feel the year must be wrong or she would have been born in England and I can't see anything to suggest she was born here. Interesting that they used the name Wright for her - presumably she died after Deborah married Mr Wright, but typically, there's now a question over the date! lol
Here is Robert Walter Wright's marriage (fourth from bottom of page):
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11049-153106-73?cc=1452395
Thanks - that's really god to see.
The 1850 census entry, so we have it to hand@
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11132-97958-26?cc=1401638
Is Thos Lete the same person as Thomas Ashcroft, do you know? Age 27 in 1850, cabinet maker, born England.
I don't know - it looks very possible. Thomas was illegitimate - I suppose there's a possibility Lete (or something similar) was his father's name - not sure how to prove that! lol (or prove it's him). I have more info on him so watch this space.
The 1840 US Census has a head of household Robert Wright at Redford, Wayne Co, Michigan, 1 male age 30-40, 2 age 10-15, 1 age 5-10 and 1 under 5, 1 female age 30-40 and 1 under 5. Possible for Deborah's husband if you are right about him being a Robert.
That was a guess, but certainly I'll make a note of this info. It's not at all surprising she didn't have all the children with her as apparently she let David Maynard's children fend for themselves even when they were really young.
Thanks for all this info Kate - it's great.
Theophilus John Maynard
Bap Whittlesford Cambs 1821
Emigrated 1834
1840 and 1850 census?
Died 25th dec 1859 Detroit, Wayne, Michegan (source unknown)
Info compiled from letters to the UK, written by his sister, Ann Maynard, about 1849:
Theophilus, referred to as John in the letters, was described as "a great boy and too big to be flogged", by his stepmother. She regarded his conduct as unacceptable, especially his refusal to learn a trade. He became a waiter at the Congress Hall in Albany, earning $3 a month and sent his two brothers, David and Ebenezer to school, after he found them wandering in the streets. He married an American woman, described by him as "good looking" and settled down, writing regularly to Robert Maynard junr in England. A child was born, but died in infancy. The marriage did not last and he re-married, "a strapping, rich woman rather inclined to wear the breeches, as the saying is" - (Ann, 1849).
kiterunner
08-05-14, 11:21
Theophilus John Maynard
Bap Whittlesford Cambs 1821
Emigrated 1834
1840 and 1850 census?
The 1840 US census gives name of head of household and then just numbers of people in the household in the various age bands, etc, so I don't think we are likely to find him on there.
kiterunner
08-05-14, 11:26
Possible for 1850:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11132-97528-56?cc=1401638
kiterunner
08-05-14, 11:36
And this is info about his grave but there doesn't seem to be a photo yet:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=MAY&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GSst=24&GScntry=4&GSsr=3481&GRid=55744870&
kiterunner
08-05-14, 12:04
And I think this is his family in 1860:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MWD8-XC3?cc=1473181
Looking at the image on ancestry, I think Jane's occupation is Board House.
kiterunner
08-05-14, 12:14
This is the marriage of the daughter Emily (Eunice on the 1850 census):
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12331-2728-62?cc=1452395
I was hoping to find something giving her mother's maiden name to help with looking for Theophilus John's (second) marriage but no luck there.
That's great, thanks Kate.
So, Jane would be the strapping and rich wife! lol
Do you have any problems viewing those FS census docs? I have to save them in order to view them. If I try and view them direct from the site they zoom out to the max and I can't read anything. If I try to zoom in again it lasts 0.something seconds before zooming out again!
Emma Rebecca Maynard
b 1823 Whittlesford Cambs
didn't marry
death date unknown.
extracts from two undated letters (I don't know anything about Susan Beard):
Emma left home and eventually became a domestic help to a Presbyterian minister in St Louis, Missouri. She was to die the most harrowing death of tuberculosis in the arms of her stepmother's niece, Mrs Susan Beard, at Detroit, who had invited her to join them when they learned of her state of health. In a series of letters to her grandmother, Rebecca in England, Emma reveals her hopes and fears. While in St Louis, she became engaged to a young man only to discover that he and his family were disreputable and given to drink. She was aware that her health was slowly deteriorating and finally left her employers to travel north to Detroit to live with the Beards, arriving there in a terrible state, on the verge of death and unable to walk without assistance
kiterunner
08-05-14, 12:22
Do you have any problems viewing those FS census docs? I have to save them in order to view them. If I try and view them direct from the site they zoom out to the max and I can't read anything. If I try to zoom in again it lasts 0.something seconds before zooming out again!
No, they work perfectly fine for me.
kiterunner
08-05-14, 13:00
There is a Beard family in Detroit in 1850: George and Susan both 36, both born England, But Susan isn't with the family in 1860. FamilySearch has a marriage between George Beard and Susan Bedford 29 Oct 1834 in Wayne County, Michigan.
No sign of Emma with the family in 1850 or 1860 though.
Ooh, but I did find this on ancestry in the Michigan vital records from the Michigan Christian Herald, so at least we can see she looks to be the right Susan:
Beard, Mrs George (Susan Radford) d in Detroit, Aug 29 1859, ae 45. She was a native of Gravely, Cambridgeshire, Eng, and came to this country with the family of an uncle, when left an orphan at fourteen. She m Mr Beard in Detroit in 1834. 10-6-59.
OOOh, that's interesting.
I thought she might be Deborah Ashcroft's sister, but that now looks unlikely.
Perhaps the relationship is further back.
I have a baptism for Deborah Ashcroft 6th Dec 1799 at Yelling Hunts from FS, but I can't find it on there now (and other than her name being fairly uncommon I can't be certain that's her).
I should try to stop being side tracked as it's the Maynard's I'm supposed to be interested in!
EDIT: Oh this is going to be Susan (from ancestry):
Name: Susan Ashcroft Radford
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 8 May 1814
Christening Place: Graveley, Cambridgeshire, England
Father's Name: Robert Radford
Mother's name: Susan
Joseph George Maynard
b 1824 Whittlesford Cambs
emigrated 1834
Info extracted from letters written by Joseph and by his sister Ann:
Joseph started work in a cigar factory earning $1 a week that he gave to his stepmother. After working long hours at the factory he was expected to pedal bread around the town. He ran away and apparently stayed with friends, but returned after about three years to face the wrath of his stepmother who accused him of assaulting her. Ann, who was still living with her stepmother was forced to give false testimony at a court hearing at which Joseph was committed to jail for three months for the alleged assault on Deborah.
His brother, Theophilus John, took him in when he finished his jail sentence and Joseph them joined a shipping company. In March 1845 Joseph wrote to his uncle, Robert, from the island of Mohei (Maui), one of the Hawaiian Islands. The letter was well written and erudite, but from later correspondence it emerges that the letter was almost certainly dictated to a friend. In the letter he gives what information he could about his siblings, some of which was clearly out of date.
In August 1844 he signs articles as a hand on board the whaling ship "Hopewell" for three seasons. Off the coast of Africa, sailors from an English man-of-war who suspected that they were taking slaves to America, boarded the vessel. Having proved their credentials, they were allowed to proceed, "crossing the line" on 29th Sept and rounding the Cape of Good Hope on the 10th Oct to enter the Indian Ocean.
His first sight of whales was off the Cape where they made their first kills. He was amazed at the whales' enormous size and the amount of oil extracted. The vessel sailed on to New Zealand and in Feb 1845 the ship arrived at the South Sea Islands where they traded for fruit and other victuals. From there they moved on to the Hawaiian Islands where Joseph commented on the great height of Mauna Loa.
His uncle heard from him again in Oct 1851, when he was in London aboard the "American Eagle" from New York. The passage took 36 days and the vessel remained in the port of London for several days during which time Joseph came up to Whittlesford and visited the Great Exhibition in the company of his uncles Nathan and Robert.
In Dec 1851 he dictated a letter to a friend who sent it to his uncle Robert. His ship was back in New York and on the point of returning to the West Indies for a second time. He was in London again in May 1854 and wrote to his family in Whittlesford, but the visit was a short one. No further letters from Joseph are preserved in the Maynard archives.
kiterunner
08-05-14, 15:56
Hmm, FamilySearch has the burial of a Joseph George Maynard 29 Jun 1877 at Southampton (England) but it doesn't say his age, nor the name of the graveyard, and I can't find the death reg to check whether it could be him. Apart from that, I'm having no luck with him but then he was likely at sea whenever census time came round.
Interesting - it doesn't seem to be a common name combination. I wondered if he died on board a ship that docked at Southampton, but fmp isn't helping me with that search!
I agree with you about the census records.
Hmmmm, too young:
Deaths Jun 1877
MOIGNARD Joseph George 37 Southampton 2c 24
The next child is Ann Maynard, but I know a lot about her, so, the next is
David Maynard jr
b Whittlesford Cambs 1827
d Sept 1850, Lake Michigan USA (only source is below)
Info from letters:
David worked on a farm, but was to die in a storm on Lake Michigan in Sept 1850 whilst working as a waiter on board the steamer "SS Canada". He was attempting to save furniture from the galley after the floor planks had been ripped away by the storm. Standing on a bench, he tried to retrieve articles from the wall when the ship was hit by a wave and he was thrown into the lake and disappeared. His sister, Ann, lamented the fact that he drank heavily, but there is no suggestion in the letters that he was drunk at the time of the accident.
kiterunner
08-05-14, 16:42
Can't find anything for him either. :(
The 1850 census entry, so we have it to hand@
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11132-97958-26?cc=1401638
Is Thos Lete the same person as Thomas Ashcroft, do you know? Age 27 in 1850, cabinet maker, born England.
I think it must be him.
1870 census Deborah is still living with him and his family.
1910 census he is Thomas T Leete b England 1824 and emigrated in 1834.
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