Can anyone find Henry Phillips?

[Merry]

Henry married Elizabeth Scott 19th Nov 1867 at Lymington, Hampshire.

Henry Phillips is recorded as aged 38 and a bachelor. His occ is cordwainer as is his father's occ. Father's name is Charles Phillips.

Elizabeth Scott is recorded as aged 18 (she was actually 16) a spinster, dau of Edward Scott, labourer. (Elizabeth was born in Boldre (not far from Lymington) in 1851 and was living there with her family in 1861.)

Witnesses are John Harper and Maria Cooper. I don't know who they are (I don't recognise the names, but have not investigated them)

Elizabeth Scott is one of OH's relations. OH has added some info on Henry Phillips stating he was killed in the Great Fire of Chicago in 1871, but irritatingly, he's not recorded a source for this info :(

So, who is Henry?

I have been unable to work out how to search individuals marital status on the fmp census since they've changed to the new search. I did manage to search 1861 with occs shoe* boot* and cord* none of which helped.

I know Elizabeth Scott stayed in America after Henry's death and remarried. I don't need more info on her.

I have just seen a tree on ancestry called 'Elizabeth Scott's tree' which includes an image regarding their arrival in Quebec in 1870. This gives Henry's age as 44 and Elizabeth's age as 22 when she was either 18 or 19. Perhaps I've not been looking early enough for Henry Phillips?

[Merry]

OOh, in 1851 there's a 62 year old Charles Phillips in Lymington who is a shoemaker.

[Merry]

Hmmm.....no son Henry in 1841 or 1851 :(

[kiterunner]

I have been unable to work out how to search individuals marital status on the fmp census since they've changed to the new search.
You have to select the particular census you want from the A-Z and then you will get a "Condition" box.
1861 census search page (http://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-Records/1861-england-wales-and-scotland-census#./1861-england-wales-and-scotland-census?&_suid=1399377372725018787492323386584)

[Shona]

There's this 1841 census record in Lymington:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=uki1841&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsfn=henry&gsfn_x=XO&gsln=phillips&gsln_x=XO&gskw=hampshire&gskw_x=1&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=fpy&cp=11&pcat=35&fh=13&h=2313351&recoff=6+7&ml_rpos=14

Jane Phillips, 55, ind
Henry Phillips, 20, tailor's s
James Phillips, 25, m s
William Phillips, 15, tailor's ap

All born in county,

[kiterunner]

On the passenger list showing their arrival at Quebec, Henry is down as a laborer, but so are all the men on the page, so it might not be accurate.

[Merry]

You have to select the particular census you want from the A-Z and then you will get a "Condition" box.
1861 census search page (http://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-Records/1861-england-wales-and-scotland-census#./1861-england-wales-and-scotland-census?&_suid=1399377372725018787492323386584)

Thanks for that. I'm surprised they want you to type something in there - I tried unmarried and single, neither of which gave any results! Maybe I should be putting U for unmarried?

[Merry]

There's this 1841 census record in Lymington:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=uki1841&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsfn=henry&gsfn_x=XO&gsln=phillips&gsln_x=XO&gskw=hampshire&gskw_x=1&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=fpy&cp=11&pcat=35&fh=13&h=2313351&recoff=6+7&ml_rpos=14

Jane Phillips, 55, ind
Henry Phillips, 20, tailor's s
James Phillips, 25, m s
William Phillips, 15, tailor's ap


Hmmmm.....worth investigating/trying to eliminate! Thanks Shona.

All born in county,

On the passenger list showing their arrival at Quebec, Henry is down as a laborer, but so are all the men on the page, so it might not be accurate.

Yes that's what I thought.

[Shona]

Trying to eliminate the 1841 Henry and I found the following:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8860/HAMHO107_1669_1669-0565/5949903?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3findiv%3d1%26db%3duki1851%26rank%3d 1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gss%3dangs-d%26gsfn%3dwilliam%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dphillips %26gsln_x%3dXO%26gskw%3dlymington%26gskw_x%3d1%26c pxt%3d1%26catBucket%3drstp%26uidh%3dfpy%26cp%3d11% 26pcat%3d35%26fh%3d2%26h%3d5949903%26recoff%3d8%2b 9%26ml_rpos%3d3&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord

The entry is for 31-year-old William Phillips and his family. He was b Lymington, living in Southampton and working as a cordwainer.

[kiterunner]

Thanks for that. I'm surprised they want you to type something in there - I tried unmarried and single, neither of which gave any results! Maybe I should be putting U for unmarried?

Unmarried worked o.k. for me.

[Merry]

Cripes! lol

I have to go out soon - frustrating!

[Merry]

Unmarried worked o.k. for me.

*sigh*

Do you have some special sub that's called "The one that works"??!!! :confused:

[kiterunner]

On the 1851 census, this could be the Henry who Shona found in 1841:
1851 census ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8860/HAMHO107_1666_1666-0018/5890424?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1851%26so%3d2%26pcat%3dROO T_CATEGORY%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26M SAV%3d2%26msT%3d1%26gss%3dangs-g%26gsfn%3dh*r*y%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dphil*%26gs ln_x%3dXO%26gskw%3dlymington%26gskw_x%3d1%26cpxt%3 d1%26catBucket%3dr%26uidh%3dvm5%26cp%3d11&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

Lymington
Henry Phillips Head Mar 30 Tailor Journeyman Hants Beaulieu
Charlotte Do Wife Mar 30 Unknown
Fredrick Henry Do Son 5 Hants Lymington
James Alfred Do Son 3 Do Do

[kiterunner]

Also I'm sure this (from 1851) must be a relative of your Henry, but he was on his own in 1841:

1851 census ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8860/HAMHO107_1666_1666-0199/5893358?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1851%26so%3d2%26pcat%3d35% 26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26m sT%3d1%26gss%3dangs-c%26gsfn%3dcha*s%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dphil*%26gs ln_x%3dXO%26gskw%3dlymington%26gskw_x%3d1%26cpxt%3 d1%26catBucket%3dr%26uidh%3dvm5%26cp%3d11&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)
Furners Yard, Lymington
Charles Phillips Head Mar 31 Shoemaker Journeyman Hants Lymington
Mary Ann Do Wife Mar 31 Do Do
Mary Ann Do Daur 8 Scholar Do Do
Harry Do Son 6 Do Do Do
Charles Do Son 4 Do Do Do
William Do Son 4 Do Do Do
George Do Son 9m Do Do

[kiterunner]

Emma Phillips, the daughter of the older Charles Phillips (the one you found age 62 in 1851), comes up in the non-conformist records: Emma, daughter of Charles Phillips & Elizabeth his wife, was born Jan 13 1831 & baptized Feb 27 1831 - Independent church at Lymington Old Town.

But I can't see the rest of the children in there.

[kiterunner]

Aha!

1841:
1841 census ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8978/HAMHO107_392_394-0095/2309242?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1841%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26msT%3d1%26gss%3dangs-d%26gsfn%3dh*r*y%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln_x%3dXO%26msb dy%3d1821%26msbdy_x%3d1%26gskw%3dlymington%26gskw_ x%3d1%26uidh%3dvm5%26msbdp%3d5%26gl%3d%26gst%3d%26 hc%3d10%26fh%3d50%26fsk%3dBEFTMzMIgAAjEgB4y-47-s-61-&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)
Tiptoe, Parish of Hordle
John Phillips 19 Shoemaker Y
Henry Phillips 17 Y
William Do 15 Y
George Do 13 Y

[kiterunner]

This must be George from that 1841 entry, in 1851, and he is a shoemaker, journeyman, in Gosport Street, Lymington, birthplace Lymington:
1851 census ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8860/HAMHO107_1666_1666-0112/5891930?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1851%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d2%26msT%3d1%26gss %3dms_db%26gsfn%3dgeo*%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dphil *%26gsln_x%3dXO%26msbdy%3d1828%26msbdy_x%3d1%26gsk w%3dhampshire%26gskw_x%3d1%26dbOnly%3d_F00027B9%25 7c_F00027B9_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0003039%257c_F0003039_x %26dbOnly%3d_F000303A%257c_F000303A_x%26dbOnly%3d_ F00032DB%257c_F00032DB_x%26dbOnly%3d_83004006%257c _83004006_x%26dbOnly%3d_F000303D%257c_F000303D_x%2 6dbOnly%3d_F000303E%257c_F000303E_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0 0032F6%257c_F00032F6_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0003888%257c_F 0003888_x%26uidh%3dvm5%26msbdp%3d5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

[Merry]

Thanks very much Kate - that's great! Good to get somewhere with him at last.

I wonder how OH found out about the Chicago fire? I expect that was someone else's research passed on to him. :rolleyes:

[crawfie]

Also I'm sure this (from 1851) must be a relative of your Henry, but he was on his own in 1841:

1851 census ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8860/HAMHO107_1666_1666-0199/5893358?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1851%26so%3d2%26pcat%3d35% 26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26m sT%3d1%26gss%3dangs-c%26gsfn%3dcha*s%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dphil*%26gs ln_x%3dXO%26gskw%3dlymington%26gskw_x%3d1%26cpxt%3 d1%26catBucket%3dr%26uidh%3dvm5%26cp%3d11&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)
Furners Yard, Lymington
Charles Phillips Head Mar 31 Shoemaker Journeyman Hants Lymington
Mary Ann Do Wife Mar 31 Do Do
Mary Ann Do Daur 8 Scholar Do Do
Harry Do Son 6 Do Do Do
Charles Do Son 4 Do Do Do
William Do Son 4 Do Do Do
George Do Son 9m Do Do


This Charles Phillips is the son of Charles and Elizabeth Phillips bapt 10 may 1820 in Lymington, so quite probably Henry's older brother.

Possible marriage is Charles Philips (only 1 l ) to Elizabeth Kearley 28 Jan 1819 in Boldre, Hampshire.

[Merry]

Thanks crawfie. :)