Emma Louisa Kilby

[maggie_4_7]

My mother's father's mother.

Name:
Emma Louisa Kilby

Date and place of birth:
10 Februrary 1848
26 Wellington Street, Bethnal Green, London

Names of parents:
Frederick Kilby and Charlotte Horton

Date and place of baptism:
Not Known or Found

Details of each of his or her marriages:
John James Kendall, St James the Great, Bethnal Green, London on 14th January 1867
Witness' William and Emma Edwards

Occupation(s)
Machinist, Box Maker, Charring (sp)

Addresses where they lived:
26 Wellington Street, Bethnal Green, London -1851 Census
13 Elder Street, Norton Folgate, Shoreditch, London - 1861 Census
190 Brick Lane, Christchurch Spitalfields, London - 1871 Census
52 Plumbers Row, Whitechapel, London - 1881 Census
26 Matilda Street, Bethnal Green, London - 1891 Census
26 Matilda Street, Bethnal Green, London - 1901 Census
10 Victoria Grove, Morpeth Road, South Hackney and Shoreditch, London - 1911 Census

Date, place and cause of death:
20th March 1924
214 Cambridge Road (Cambridge Heath Rd now) Bethnal Green Hospital
(1) Amytrophic lateral sclerosis (2) Bulbar paralysis certified.

Date and place of burial / cremation.
Not Known

Details of will / administration of their estate:
Not Known

Memorial inscription:
Not Known

[Merry]

Off on a slight tangent - did you see there are two baps for brothers Joseph b 2nd April 1839 and Atilia b 6th June 1844 on the LMA stuff on Ancestry.

[maggie_4_7]

Yes I have them.

Atilia! :)

Its Matilda her sister.

[Merry]

Oh lol!!!!

[maggie_4_7]

Its quite clearly written Atilia but there is other writing I think has transferred onto that page.

I have a theory about it, my great great grandmother Charlotte Kilby nee Horton was deaf by all accounts she was born deaf. In fact in later generations of our family some others suffered deafness my mother's brother was deaf in one ear and my mother's suffered hearing impairment too.

I think Charlotte wouldn't have been able to talk very well if at all or pronounce Matilda and he wrote what he thought he heard. Of course I could be totally wrong.

[Merry]

Aaaah, poor little Matilda, baptised with such an odd name......:o

[maggie_4_7]

That's probably why I can't find Emma or the other siblings who knows what they wrote down. :)

I assume Charlotte couldn't read or write.

[maggie_4_7]

Off on a slight tangent - did you see there are two baps for brothers Joseph b 2nd April 1839 and Atilia b 6th June 1844 on the LMA stuff on Ancestry.

Actually yesterday I was going to trawl Baptisms for St Leonard's but when I opened 1848 it started at April! So I went back to 1847 and it finishes mid January 1848! Emma was born in February 1848 and I think those pages are missing for some reason.

[maggie_4_7]

Aaaah, poor little Matilda, baptised with such an odd name......:o

Lucky enough her birth certificate is correct with Matilda, I think Frederick was with Charlotte when they registered her :) although there's still a discrepancy between 6th June and 9th June 1844! Some documents say 6th some say 9th!

[Merry]

Actually yesterday I was going to trawl Baptisms for St Leonard's but when I opened 1848 it started at April! So I went back to 1847 and it finishes mid January 1848! Emma was born in February 1848 and I think those pages are missing for some reason.

That's odd....I'm looking at Feb 1848 now. Not sure how I got to it now, but if you search for Ann Elizabeth Aberdeen bap in 1848 you should cut in at Feb 13th 1848.

There's something wrong with this batch of images though as the first one is from April 1848 and the Feb 1848 one I looked at wasimage 80-something! My connection is on a go slow (took about fve minutes to open one page) or I would investigate further :)

[maggie_4_7]

Yep found page 80 you're right Feb starts 80 pages in from April which is on page 1!

I'm trawling now... it could be they moved a little more east by 1848 though i.e. St Matthews, St James the Great etc. St Leonard's was the Kilby church though there's tons of them they're all related :) and I see that horrible scrawly writing has appeared again!

[maggie_4_7]

Emma isn't there.

Perhaps another church totally mistranscribed!

Question:

I now know that there would have been a bit of queue for baptisms in those days having seen an entry that said 'left church not baptised' and crossed out from another family historian and finding out they did it at the same church a few weeks later couldn't be bothered to wait, don't blame them they were 250th (from memory) on the day they eventually got 'seen'.

Would both parents have to attend or could the mother just take them, bearing in mind husband would probably have to work otherwise not get paid.

Which bears out my theory on 'Atilia' rather than Matilda for last baptism although they got Joseph's name right but he would have been 5 so perhaps spoke for himself :) and by then was used to speaking. Perhaps Charlotte gave up poor thing.

[theresa2]

I have just read through these postings with interest as Emma Louise Kilbey is my 2nd Great Grand Aunt. Her brother is Frederick John Kilby is my 2nd Great Grand father. So I am very interested in the Kilbey and Horton families.

I have seemed to come to a standsill regarding Emma's mother (Charlotte) family the Hortons. I cannot find marriages for her siblings or find any of then on the Census or maybe I have just missed them

Regards - Terri

[maggie_4_7]

Terri

Sent you some PMs.

I find Richard and Matilda Kilby and William and Ann Mary Horton a bit of stalemate at the moment although I have found some stuff.

Emma Louisa Kilby was my Great Grandmother and Charlotte Horton was my Great Great Grandmother.