My Purvis family again, what does this say?

[Merry]

This needs sorting before adding to BK6

I just need to untangle these names, but am going round in circles!

RG 9; Piece: 281; Folio: 114; Page: 9

12 Green Bank, St Geo in the East (Schedule 53)

William Locklay (???) head m 39 grocer b London, Bishopsgate
Jane Locklay (???) mother wid 75 b Eyemouth, Scotland
Thomas Purvis uncle unm 72 formerly a tailor b Eyemouth Scotland


1861 census (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8767/MDXRG9_280_283-0539/5821767?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1861%26indiv%3dtry%26h%3d5 821767&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord)


Hoping Jane's maiden name was Purvis, I then found:

Jane Purvis spinster marrying widower George John Locklay (???) in 1826 at St Bride's Fleetstreet (therefore I'm imagining Jane may actually be William's stepmother). I have a currently floating Janet Purvis b Eyemouth in 1782 (dau of Alexander Purvis and Isabel Pringle) who I would like to be Mrs Locklay, but she doesn't have a brother called Thomas as far as I can see. Several of Alex and Isabel's children came to London and at least one other lived at St Botolph Bishopsgate. The 1826 marriage witnesses are both called Key. If Jane(t) is who I think she is, she had a brother who gave the surname Key to at least one of his children.

Questions:

Is William and Jane's surname Locklay of something similar?
Who is William married to and who was his mother?
When did Jane die and how old was she?
When did Thomas Purvis die and how old was he?

[Merry]

William might be 30, not 39, so then Jane(t) would probably be his mother, not step-mother.

[Merry]

Hmmm, William Locklay is 29 in 1851 (mother 65 and uncle 63 but this time the uncle is b Bishopsgate.)

[Merry]

I suppose it's more likely Jane(t) is one of these two:

Janet Purves
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 29 July 1786
christening: 30 July 1786 , EYEMOUTH, BERWICK, SCOTLAND
residence: 1786 Eyemouth, Berwickshire, Scotland
father: William Purves
mother: Jean Trotter


Janet Purves
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 2 April 1787
christening: 8 April 1787 , EYEMOUTH, BERWICK, SCOTLAND
residence: 1787 Eyemouth, Berwickshire, Scotland
father: Robert Purves
mother: Agnes Eidington

Will have to see if they have brothers called Thomas of the right age. I bet it will be neither or both!!

[Shona]

Locklay is a Borders surname. Know of Lockey and Lockie variants.

[Merry]

Thanks Shona.

[Merry]

What about Lochtey? The second 'L' did seem to have a cross through it on the 1826 marriage.

George John doesn't show up with the rest of them in 1841 so presume he was already dec'd. Thomas Purvis is back to being b Scotland! There's a Margaret with them in 1841 - what's her surname?

1841 census (top half of left page) (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8978/MDXHO107_694_696-0434/7663223?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3findiv%3d1%26db%3duki1841%26MS_AdvC B%3d1%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26msT%3d1%26 gss%3dangs-d%26gsfn%3djane%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln_x%3d1%26msydy% 3d1785%26msydy_x%3d1%26gskw%3dscotland%2bgeorge%2b east%26gskw_x%3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26catBucket%3drstp%26 uidh%3d672%26msydp%3d10%26cp%3d11%26pcat%3d35%26fh %3d7%26h%3d7663223%26recoff%3d13%26ml_rpos%3d8&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord)

[kiterunner]

There's a Margaret with them in 1841 - what's her surname?



David?

[kiterunner]

When did Jane die and how old was she?


There is a Jane Lochtay death Jan-Mar 1865 Whitechapel. Age at death not on index at this date.

[Merry]

That's not helping yet! lol I wondered if she is another sister?

I'm beginning to lose the will to live with the Purvis tree. I have about four lines in London and Cambridge and I'm sure they should be from one family (eventually) in Eyemouth, but they refuse to be joined up satisfactorily!

Thanks Kate.

[Merry]

There is a Jane Lochtay death Jan-Mar 1865 Whitechapel. Age at death not on index at this date.

That's possible, though I somehow imagined if she and Thomas Purvis didn't die in St George in the East (where they were in 1841/51 and 1861) then they would have died in the same district as each other, but I suppose either one of them might have ended up in an institution or with another family member or 101 other possibilities.

[kiterunner]

Pallot's Marriage Index has George's surname as Locktay. There is a George Locktay or Locktey listed in the London Land Tax Records up to 1847

[kiterunner]

On some of the London electoral registers, William is listed as William Shaw Lochtay. Address is 12 Green Bank, Wapping, so it is the same William.

[kiterunner]

Oh, he is William Shaw Lochtay on his marriage (1859 to Mary Ann Morgan in Bermondsey) and his father is William Shaw Lochtay, mariner. When Mary Ann remarries in 1866 her name is Mary Ann Shaw Lochtay.

[kiterunner]

It might be worth reading through this old thread on Rootschat:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=224226.0

Got to go out now.

[Merry]

I have read that thread once, but I have to go out as well. It seemed to be saying there are two William's on some censuses.

Will have to have a better read later.

Thanks for your help.

[kiterunner]

So this is William's baptism (found thanks to the Rootschat thread!)

ancestry LMA records (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1558/31281_A101308-00110/467075?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dLMAbirths%26db%3d%26so%3d2%26 rank%3d0%26gsfn%3dwil*%2bshaw%26gsln%3dp%253fr*s%2 6sx%3d%26gs1co%3d1%252cAll%2bCountries%26gs1pl%3d1 %252c%2b%26year%3d%26yearend%3d%26sbo%3d0%26sbor%3 d%26ufr%3d0%26wp%3d4%253b_80000002%253b_80000003%2 6srchb%3dr%26prox%3d1%26ti%3d5538%26ti.si%3d0%26gs s%3dangs-b&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

William Shaw Purvis baptised 25 Aug 1822 St Leonard Shoreditch, dob 7 Dec 1817, mother Jane Purvis of Norton Falgate, single woman.

So George John Lochtay is his stepfather and his actual father may have been called William Shaw, mariner.

[Merry]

Yep, got it now, thanks! Always takes me two reads (at least!)

See you later..........

[Merry]

Some of my other Purvis family were bap at Norton Folgate. Will check later.,.,,

[kiterunner]

There is a Janet Purves age 60 in Eyemouth on the 1841 census, Jennet Purvis age 70 in 1851 and 80 in 1861. (From ancestry's transcription) She is a servant in 1841 and then pauper. Ancestry doesn't have marital status transcribed so you would have to check on FMP or SP - but even if she was married or widowed she could be listed under her maiden name as it is in Scotland.

Scotland's People has a Jane Purves and a Janet Purves death listed for 1864 in Eyemouth, no age or mother's maiden name indexed. I'm not sure whether they are variants of the name for just one death or two different people as I haven't paid to view the results of my search. If you view the actual death cert(s) it should give her parents' names. Her age on the censuses (if this is the same person) fits best with the daughter of Alexander and Isabel.

Now, FamilySearch has a Janet Purves marrying a George McLean 17 Sep 1808 at Eyemouth, so maybe we can figure out which one she is likely to be from their children's names...

[kiterunner]

Now, FamilySearch has a Janet Purves marrying a George McLean 17 Sep 1808 at Eyemouth, so maybe we can figure out which one she is likely to be from their children's names...

Jane 1809
Christian 1812
Thomas 1817
Margaret 1815
Jane 1819
William 1820

Would fit with the Janet Purves born 1786, daughter of William and Jean.

[Merry]

I will look at the 1864 death records on SP later.

Now I'm feeling concerned that none of the Purvis siblings who came to London gave the name Alexander to any of their children. *frets*

Have just been to visit mum, but got turned away after an hour as she had another visitor who is of more interest to her than me! lol Now I have to go out again to collect children from school so we are not late for their dentist checkup.

All this stuff gets in the way of my research!!

[Merry]

I've looked at the two 1864 death entries and have probably eliminated this Janet:


Janet Purves
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 29 July 1786
christening: 30 July 1786 , EYEMOUTH, BERWICK, SCOTLAND
residence: 1786 Eyemouth, Berwickshire, Scotland
father: William Purves
mother: Jean Trotter

The death states she is aged 82 in 1864 (so b abt 1782/3) and the dau of William Purves farmer. her mother's name is not given

The other death was for a child aged 6.

[Merry]

The witnesses at the 1826 marriage at St Bride's Fleetstreet were John Key and Isabella Key.

I've just seen another marriage at the same church in 1797 for John Key and Eleanor Purvis.

I don't yet know who Eleanor is.
Witnesses are David Key, Mary McCarthy and James Daylim (?)

[Merry]

This might be Eleanor;

Burial St James Westminster 1823 Eleanor Key aged 47. Address Orange Street, St Martin.

[kiterunner]

Witnesses are David Key, Mary McCarthy and James Daylim (?)

Daykin?

[Merry]

Yes, could be. Thanks.