1901 please.

[HarrysMum]

Prepare to be bombarded with questions today...lol.

I'm waiting on some replies to another thread so doing this family instead..

1911 Ealing Middlesex
James Burrows (journalist) aged 38 born Glous
Susan 39 born Glous.
Cecil
Charles
Lilian
Alwynne
Dorothy
Harold
Miriam
Phyllis

Kids are born all over the place so no idea where they would be in 1901.

[Phoenix]

They ought to be in Birmingham.

Dorothy Elizabeth is born there Aston RD in Dec 1901 and Alwynne Dene in Aston in Mar 1900.

[HarrysMum]

Yes, but I've tried every combo I can think of as well as just Susan etc, but no luck.

Maybe James was working and they were travelling...

[Langley Vale Sue]

James Burrows b Willersey, Gloucestershire about 1874. A prisoner in HM Prison, Birmingham. His occupation is shown as 'Provision trade C Traveller'.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&gsfn=james&gsln=burrows&rg_81004011__date=1873&rs_81004011__date=0&gsbco=3251%2cEngland&gsbpl=5265%2cGloucestershire&gsbst=&gsbCounty=&gsbCity=&gsbTown=&_82004013=&_82004014=willersley&_82004015=&rg_81004021__date=&rs_81004021__date=0&gsmco=1%2cAll+Countries&gsmpl=1%2c+&gsmst=&gsmCounty=&gsmCity=&gsmTown=&_82004023=&_82004024=&_82004025=&rg_81004031__date=&rs_81004031__date=0&gsdco=1%2cAll+Countries&gsdpl=1%2c+&gsdst=&gsdCounty=&gsdCity=&gsdTown=&_82004033=&_82004034=&_82004035=&gs1co=1%2cAll+Countries&gs1pl=1%2c+&gs1st=&gs1County=&gs1City=&gs1Town=&gskw=&_8000C002=&_8000C003=&_80008002=&_80008003=&_80018002=&_80018003=&sbo=1&sbor=&prox=1&UseAdvRQuery=1&AdvSrch=1&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-g&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=16413081&db=uki1901&indiv=1&ml_rpos=3

[HarrysMum]

Thanks Sue. That is interesting. Wonder where his family is hiding. He is a journalist in 1911.

[Langley Vale Sue]

Still looking for Susan and the children in 1901.

I did find the marriage between James Burrows & Susan Southam in Evesham, Worcestershire, Reg Dist in June qtr 1895 6c 529.

Susan was with her siblings and parents Charles & Ellen in 1881 in Church Honeybourne, Gloucestershire.
In 1891 she was a servant in Acocks Green, Warwickshire.

[Phoenix]

It looks as if he were at 15 Moor St Birmingham in November 1900.

[Phoenix]

And if that is correct, I wonder if it is a polite way of describing the police station or the cells?

That is from a newspaper report for bankruptcy.

[kiterunner]

It would help if we had the children's ages and everyone's full birthplaces!

This is the full 1911 entry for reference:

James Burrows Head 38 Married Journalist Willersley Glous
Susan Burrows Wife 39 Married 16 yrs 9 children 8 living 1 dead Honeybourne Glos
Cecil Bertram Burrows Son 15 Clerk Honeybourne Glos
Charles James Burrows Son 14 School Stratford-on-Avon Warwick
Lillian Burrows Daughter 12 School Coventry Warwick
Alwyne Dene Burrows Son 11 School Birmingham Warwick
Dorothy Burrows Daughter 10 School Birmingham Warwick
Harold Victor Burrows Son 8 School Basford Stafford
Miriam Burrows Daughter 3 Harrow Mdlsex
Phylliss Winifred Burrows Daughter 1 Hornsey Mdlsex

[HarrysMum]

Sorry Kite, I did't think we could put that much up.

[Shona]

Cecil died in the First World War.

http://www.findmypast.co.uk/nmpSearchResult.action?product=NC&rfnbr=5625

He was in the 1st Royal Marines Bat, Royal Navy Division, and died on 13 November 1916. Born 16 October 1894, Honeybourne, Worcester.

Relatives notified: Susan Burrows, 26 Curzon Road, Ealing.

[kiterunner]

You're probably thinking of when the 1911 census was first released, Libby.

I haven't had any luck with finding them in 1901 anyway.

[Shona]

I haven't had any luck with finding them in 1901 anyway.

Ditto.

[HarrysMum]

Thanks. Maybe they were staying with another family while the man of the house was otherwise engaged and ended up under their name.

[Shona]

Thanks. Maybe they were staying with another family while the man of the house was otherwise engaged and ended up under their name.

I've tried searching on first names and place or birth and still couldn't find them.

[Shona]

Here's the bankruptcy petition in the London Gazette, 6 Nov 1900.

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/27244/pages/6852/page.pdf

[Langley Vale Sue]

I've tried searching on first names and place or birth and still couldn't find them.

Snap ;)

I wondered whether they might be in a workhouse and only enumerated under their initials.

[Langley Vale Sue]

There is a Lily Burrows (aged 4 and born Birmingham) listed in 1901 as a patient in a hospital in Birmingham. They all appear to be children so possibly Birmingham Childrens Hospital - if such a place exists.
RG13 piece 2850 folio 178 page 12

[Langley Vale Sue]

And if that is correct, I wonder if it is a polite way of describing the police station or the cells?

That is from a newspaper report for bankruptcy.

Yes, 15 Moor Street does appear to be either the Police Station or the Court House, although I can't actually find #15 on the address search in 1901, but it should be between the two.

[Durham Lady]

Libby, interesting the name Berrows and being a journalist as we have Berrow's Journal here in Worcestershire, wonder if he tried to associate himself with the firm?

http://www.worcesternews.co.uk/bj/intro/

This is interesting re Church Honeybourne,

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Honeybourne/index.html

Honeybourne is not far from Evesham and not too far from Malvern. If there's anything you need from Worcester parish records let me know.


There is a Lily Burrows (aged 4 and born Birmingham) listed in 1901 as a patient in a hospital in Birmingham. They all appear to be children so possibly Birmingham Childrens Hospital - if such a place exists.
RG13 piece 2850 folio 178 page 12

Sue, yes there still is a Children's Hospital in Birmingham. It's been moved to a new site and the old hospital closed in the last few years.

[Janet]

There's this too. Third from bottom.
London Gazette adjudications 11 Jan 1901 (http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/27265/pages/279/page.pdf)

[HarrysMum]

Thanks Janet.

[Phoenix]

This reference: RG13 piece 2837 folio 31 page 14 shows that 15 Moor Street (and the surrounding houses) was unoccupied.

btw, you would not be sent to prison for debt in 1900, so I assume he did something illegal which was discovered during the bankruptcy proceedings, and if all the children are his, he was not in prison for very long.

[HarrysMum]

And, he's a journalist "on own account" in 1911. Must have been half educated I suppose. Maybe some sort of white collar crime. They don't seem to get as much jail time....lol

[Phoenix]

I wonder what he died of? This looks like his death:

Name: BURROWS, James
Registration district: Brentford
County: Middlesex
Year of registration: 1912
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death:39
Volume no: 3A
Page no: 146

[HarrysMum]

One way to find out....lol

[Mary from Italy]

Not sure if you need to go back any further with James, or if you've already done it. I found him with his widowed mother Maria and siblings in Gloucs in 1881; she died in the Evesham RD in 1894.

[HarrysMum]

Thanks Mary.

I'm helping a friend. Very odd story. A friend I've had for many years (over 40) wanted to help her OH do his tree. She asked for help from me. No worries. I get back to his paternal grandmother and find we are related....lol.

We share 4x great grandparents.

This is his maternal line I'm doing with the Burrows, but there's a few mysteries and when I got back to Burrows decided I'd keep going as they are in my paternal line. Haven't connected us that way yet but it would be funny if we are related through both maternal and paternal lines....lol

[JBee]

Give me a shout if you want anything looked up at Birmingham library. I'm going into Birmingham next Friday for an appointment so could go there afterwards.

[HarrysMum]

Thanks Julie......never had any family in Birmingham before.....lol

[Mary from Italy]

Bear in mind that Birmingham and Warwickshire PRs, with images, are on Ancestry (two separate databases). There are some parishes missing, however, including part of Coventry and Stratford on Avon.