My grandfathers brother - where did he go and when did he die?

[Margaret in Burton]

I'm trying again to find out what happened to my grandfathers brother. He seems to disappear in 1912.

Here goes:

Alfred George Newey, known as George, born 27 November 1876 at 2 Carsington Street, Mayfair, London. His parents Jabez and Philiis Helena were in service there. He moved with his parents to Burton on Trent and is listed on the 1881 and 1891 census at 10 Edward St, Burton. He hasn't been found on the 1901 or 1911 census.
He married in 1907 in Leeds to Edith Eleanor Mack. They split up quite early on but had a child George Edward born in 1907.

1911 Edith and her son were living at 61 St Andrew Street, Hertford, Hertfordshire RG14PN7629 RG78PN374 RD137 SD2 ED9 SN153

I cannot find a death for Edith either.

Alfred George was an entertainer or vocalist. I have various sightings of him via 'The Stage'.

He travelled to the USA in 1912 and returned the same year. he took his son with him and was travelling with a woman described as his wife according to the passenger list.

Timeline



27 June 1876 born at 2 Carsington Street, Mayfair, London
1881 census 10 Edward Street, Burton on Trent, Staffs
1891 census 10 Edward Street, Burton on Trent, Staffs
9 March 1899 Queens Palace of Varieties, Ilkeston, Derbyshire
1901 census unknown whereabouts
14 Aug 1902 Oriental Hotel, Montpelier Road, Brighton
24 May 1906 2 Mountrath Street, Walsall, Staffordshire
15 May 1907 Marriage to Edith Eleanor Mack at Register Office, Leeds, Yorkshire
5 Sept 1907 2 Mountrath Street, Walsall, Staffordshire
12 Sept 1907 2 Mountrath Street, Walsall, Staffordshire
19 Sept 1907 Abingdon Park Hotel, Northampton
25 Jun 1908 Garthland Saltcoats
1911 census unknown whereabouts
19 Sep 1912 SS Winifredian, going to New York
27 Oct 1912 SS Caledonia, going to Glasgow


After returning to this country in 1912 he left his son with foster parents in Ludlow, Shropshire but they ill treated him and he was brought up in a childrens home. This information is from George Edward's son my second cousin.

Alfred George never returned for his son and according to my second cousin his father never believed that his father had deserted him.

I wonder if when he did return George Edward had been sent to the childrens home and he couldn't locate him.

I have posted about this in the past but can't find the original thread.

So much new info is online now that I thought I'd try again.

My second cousin would love to find out what happened to his grandfather and his grandmother for that matter as her death is a mystery too.

[Margaret in Burton]

Just to add that 'The Stage' does list a Sgt Newey a baritone playing at The Grand in Filey, Yorkshire on 26 February 1914. No evidence if is the same person as we don't believe he was in the army.

[kiterunner]

On the Winifredian in 1912 Liverpool to Boston are Mr Newey, Mrs Newey and Miss M Newey. Miss M Newey over 12 years old. All are stated to be citizens of the United States. They are the only Neweys I can see on that sailing (looking at the UK Outward Passenger List), so is that right?

[Margaret in Burton]

On the Winifredian in 1912 Liverpool to Boston are Mr Newey, Mrs Newey and Miss M Newey. Miss M Newey over 12 years old. All are stated to be citizens of the United States. They are the only Neweys I can see on that sailing (looking at the UK Outward Passenger List), so is that right?

Where have I got that from then? I know on the return journey Alfred George in mistranscribed, his son is correctly listed.

[kiterunner]

On the Caledonian arriving in Glasgow 27 Oct 1912 from New York, are British passengers George Newey, engineer, 35, and George Newey 4, country of last permanent residence USA, intended future residence "foreign countries".

So are you sure that's them, Marg?

[Margaret in Burton]

I can't find my print out of the passenger lists for the journeys.

I was sure about them when I found them.

Can you send me links Kate to what you've found please?

[kiterunner]

Ah, found them on the Winifredian on the passenger list arriving at Boston (sailing from Liverpool Sep 19 1912); this looks more like them!

Newey George 37 married Vocalist, nationality English, last permanent residence Liverpool, nearest relative or friend is friend Mrs Jones, 44 Stafford St, L'pool, Eng
Newey Sarah 38 married, dittoes
Newey George 4 yrs 9 mos, dittoes

Not sure whether the link will work for you but here it is:
Boston Passenger Lists (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8745/MAT843_185-0700/1601054?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dbostonpl%26db%3d%26so%3d2%26r ank%3d0%26gsfn%3dgeo*%2b%26gsln%3dnewey%26sx%3d%26 gs1co%3d1%252cAll%2bCountries%26gs1pl%3d1%252c%2b% 26year%3d%26yearend%3d%26sbo%3d1%26sbor%3d%26ufr%3 d0%26wp%3d4%253b_80000002%253b_80000003%26srchb%3d r%26prox%3d1%26ti%3d5538%26ti.si%3d0%26gss%3dangs-c&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

I'll go back and find the other links.

[kiterunner]

This is the American family on the Winifredian according to the UK Outward Passenger List:
UK Outward Passenger List (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2997/40610_B000762-00151/41617880?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3frank%3d0%26gsfn%3d%2b%26gsln%3dnew ey%26sx%3d%26f19%3d%26rg_81004011__date%3d%26rs_81 004011__date%3d0%26f7%3d%26f8%3d%26rg_f9__date%3d1 912%26rs_f9__date%3d0%26f11%3d%26f12%3d%26f16%3d%2 6f17%3d%26f18%3d%26f13%3d%26f14%3d%26f15%3d%26f21% 3d%26f22%3d%26gskw%3d%26prox%3d1%26db%3dukoutwardp assengerlists%26ti%3d5538%26ti.si%3d0%26gl%3d%26gs s%3drfs%26gst%3d%26so%3d3&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

And the Caledonian arriving:
UK Incoming Passenger List (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1518/30807_A000514-00226/25467307?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dBT26%26db%3d%26so%3d2%26rank% 3d0%26gsfn%3dgeo*%2b%26gsln%3dnewey%26sx%3d%26gs1c o%3d1%252cAll%2bCountries%26gs1pl%3d1%252c%2b%26ye ar%3d%26yearend%3d%26sbo%3d1%26sbor%3d%26ufr%3d0%2 6wp%3d4%253b_80000002%253b_80000003%26srchb%3dr%26 prox%3d1%26ti%3d5538%26ti.si%3d0%26gss%3dangs-c&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

[Margaret in Burton]

Ah, found them on the Winifredian on the passenger list arriving at Boston (sailing from Liverpool Sep 19 1912); this looks more like them!

Newey George 37 married Vocalist, nationality English, last permanent residence Liverpool, nearest relative or friend is friend Mrs Jones, 44 Stafford St, L'pool, Eng
Newey Sarah 38 married, dittoes
Newey George 4 yrs 9 mos, dittoes

Not sure whether the link will work for you but here it is:
Boston Passenger Lists (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8745/MAT843_185-0700/1601054?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dbostonpl%26db%3d%26so%3d2%26r ank%3d0%26gsfn%3dgeo*%2b%26gsln%3dnewey%26sx%3d%26 gs1co%3d1%252cAll%2bCountries%26gs1pl%3d1%252c%2b% 26year%3d%26yearend%3d%26sbo%3d1%26sbor%3d%26ufr%3 d0%26wp%3d4%253b_80000002%253b_80000003%26srchb%3d r%26prox%3d1%26ti%3d5538%26ti.si%3d0%26gss%3dangs-c&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

I'll go back and find the other links.

That's the one

[Margaret in Burton]

It does look like I may have the return journey wrong though.

[Margaret in Burton]

Yes, I agree those aren't them.

They definitely came back though. Son George was brought back by his father.

[Margaret in Burton]

I found my original thread about him, it's on FTF not here.

[Margaret in Burton]

Anyway, where was he in 1901 and 1911 and where the heck did he and his wife, who he'd probably deserted, die?

[Merry]

Would this be him? (FMP)

Nottinghamshire Guardian

Publication date:Saturday 13 January 1900

Southern Division Conservative Club

".............Mr. George Newey, a popular comedian, was also highly appreciated........."

[Margaret in Burton]

Would this be him? (FMP)

Nottinghamshire Guardian

Publication date:Saturday 13 January 1900

Southern Division Conservative Club

".............Mr. George Newey, a popular comedian, was also highly appreciated........."

mmmm

Never heard him described as a comedian. Always, vocalist, entertainer or as my granny used to say ' on the stage'.

[Margaret in Burton]

Ah, found them on the Winifredian on the passenger list arriving at Boston (sailing from Liverpool Sep 19 1912); this looks more like them!

Newey George 37 married Vocalist, nationality English, last permanent residence Liverpool, nearest relative or friend is friend Mrs Jones, 44 Stafford St, L'pool, Eng
Newey Sarah 38 married, dittoes
Newey George 4 yrs 9 mos, dittoes

Not sure whether the link will work for you but here it is:
Boston Passenger Lists (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8745/MAT843_185-0700/1601054?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dbostonpl%26db%3d%26so%3d2%26r ank%3d0%26gsfn%3dgeo*%2b%26gsln%3dnewey%26sx%3d%26 gs1co%3d1%252cAll%2bCountries%26gs1pl%3d1%252c%2b% 26year%3d%26yearend%3d%26sbo%3d1%26sbor%3d%26ufr%3 d0%26wp%3d4%253b_80000002%253b_80000003%26srchb%3d r%26prox%3d1%26ti%3d5538%26ti.si%3d0%26gss%3dangs-c&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

I'll go back and find the other links.

Just remembered that my second cousin told me that his father said there was a lady travelling with them and she wasn't his mother.

George Edward, the son, had a distinguished career in the navy, I've found him on passenger lists and eventually was awarded the OBE for his services during WW2. He may have somehow been abandoned by his parents and then ill treated and brought up in a children's home but he came out of all that very well.

[kiterunner]

Any idea who Mrs Jones was, Marg?

[Shona]

There is a Sarah Jones at 41 Stafford Street in the 1911 census.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=1911england&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsfn_x=NN&gsln=jones&gsln_x=NN&gskw=44+stafford+street&gskw_x=1&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=fpy&cp=11&pcat=35&fh=2&h=19819258&recoff=&ml_rpos=3

She is married to Richard Jones, a dock labourer, aged 46. Children are Richard Lewis Jones, 20, William Arthur Jones, 19, and Alfred Edward Jones, 8.

[Margaret in Burton]

Any idea who Mrs Jones was, Marg?

There is a Sarah Jones at 41 Stafford Street in the 1911 census.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=1911england&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsfn_x=NN&gsln=jones&gsln_x=NN&gskw=44+stafford+street&gskw_x=1&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=fpy&cp=11&pcat=35&fh=2&h=19819258&recoff=&ml_rpos=3

She is married to Richard Jones, a dock labourer, aged 46. Children are Richard Lewis Jones, 20, William Arthur Jones, 19, and Alfred Edward Jones, 8.

No idea at all. Possibly a landlady? He would have lead an itinerant life moving from music hall to music hall all over the country I suppose.

[JBee]

Doesn't look like Sarah Jones is a relative - looked at 2 marriages in Liverpool of Richard Jones and Sarah - wasn't a Newey.

[Margaret in Burton]

Doesn't look like Sarah Jones is a relative - looked at 2 marriages in Liverpool of Richard Jones and Sarah - wasn't a Newey.

No Sarah's either or Newey connections to Liverpool.

[Margaret in Burton]

Mine and my second cousins (Bob) gut feeling is that he went back to the USA.

Bob checked all the the death indexes in those large books many years ago and I've checked online. He's not there, so unless he died as a 'John Doe', he died overseas. My mum always said he went to America, yes we know he went and came back but did he go back?

[Shona]

There is a 69-year-old George Newey sailing from London to New Zealand in 1946. Under occupation, it says that he is retired.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2997/41039_b001591-00456/146725496?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co. uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3findiv%3d1%26db%3dukoutwardpassenge rlists%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d1%26msT%3d1%2 6gss%3dangs-d%26gsfn%3dgeorge%26gsfn_x%3dNN%26gsln%3dnewey%26g sln_x%3dNN%26cpxt%3d1%26catBucket%3drstp%26uidh%3d fpy%26cp%3d11%26pcat%3d40%26fh%3d1%26h%3d146725496 %26recoff%3d7%2b8%2b20%2b21%26ml_rpos%3d2&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord

[Margaret in Burton]

There is a 69-year-old George Newey sailing from London to New Zealand in 1946. Under occupation, it says that he is retired.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2997/41039_b001591-00456/146725496?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co. uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3findiv%3d1%26db%3dukoutwardpassenge rlists%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d1%26msT%3d1%2 6gss%3dangs-d%26gsfn%3dgeorge%26gsfn_x%3dNN%26gsln%3dnewey%26g sln_x%3dNN%26cpxt%3d1%26catBucket%3drstp%26uidh%3d fpy%26cp%3d11%26pcat%3d40%26fh%3d1%26h%3d146725496 %26recoff%3d7%2b8%2b20%2b21%26ml_rpos%3d2&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord

Who knows? The age is right. What that address as last residence?

[Mary from Italy]

53 Queen Gate SW7.

[Margaret in Burton]

Thank you Mary

I've just written and about to post a letter to my eldest cousin, all aunts and uncles have passed away, to ask what she remembers. I have asked her to ask another cousin her age who I know she is in contact with and I'm not to ask him. I could phone her but I want her to think before she replies.

I also know that I'll be on the phone at least an hour if she does phone me back.

[Shona]

53 Queen Gate SW7.

That's in Kensington and Chelsea - Flat 8, 53 Queen's Gate sold for £1,575,000 in Feb this year.

[KiwiChris]

Who knows? The age is right. What that address as last residence?

There has been a George Newey here in NZ on the electoral rolls since 1880. But probably more than one man!

1940s he is a manufacturer.

There is one born here in 1877, he died 1954 age 78, which is quite possibly the passenger.

[Margaret in Burton]

Thanks Chris.

Heard nothing from my cousin yet, I hope she writes instead of calling me. I can never get a word in and I know I'll be on the phone well over an hour.;(

[Margaret in Burton]

Thank you Mary

I've just written and about to post a letter to my eldest cousin, all aunts and uncles have passed away, to ask what she remembers. I have asked her to ask another cousin her age who I know she is in contact with and I'm not to ask him. I could phone her but I want her to think before she replies.

I also know that I'll be on the phone at least an hour if she does phone me back.

Well I've spoken to my eldest cousin this evening and she knows less than me. Back to the drawing board.

[Merry]

How frustrating, Marg. Was it a long call? :rolleyes::rolleyes::D

[ElizabethHerts]

I know Queens Gate very well as I spent my first night at college in a hostel there. It is very upmarket with lots of large, expensive houses.

[Margaret in Burton]

How frustrating, Marg. Was it a long call? :rolleyes::rolleyes::D

Yes a very long call. She called me last night but as I have her number programmed into my phone and I was about to start our evening meal I ignored it.

She droned about about all and sundry, stuff she's told me before. I had to keep trying to steer the conversation back to what I wanted to talk about. I also have to wait until she takes a breath which seems to be rarely.

[Margaret in Burton]

I think this man is going to remain elusive like Peter Henry Harrison. (Sorry Merry)

[Merry]

lol!

*adds George Newey to the list of threads to be avoided* :D

[Margaret in Burton]

lol!

*adds george newey to the list of threads to be avoided* :d

:d:d:d