Looking to kill off Elizabeth [Archive] - Genealogists' Forum

Glen TK

09-10-13, 22:19

Last member of a generation that I have yet to put an end too, Elizabeth Goulson bapt 1823, Knipton, Leics, last known info is from the 1861

1861 census

William Atkinson, head, 42, millwright, born Lincoln
Elizabeth Atkinson, wife, 44, born Knipton, Leics.

living at 13 King Street, Newark.

Could she be the Elizabeth who died in Newark 1903 aged 81?

kiterunner

09-10-13, 22:34

In 1871 they are at 4 King Street, Newark:
William Atkinson Head Mar 49 Mill Wright Lincolnshire Lincoln
Elizabeth Do Wife Mar 50 General Servant Leicestershire Leicester.

kiterunner

09-10-13, 22:42

And in 1891 this looks like her at 40 Village Street, Woolsthorpe, Lincs:
Martha A Griffith Head Wid 65 Sub Postmistress Woolsthorpe Lincolnshire
Frances A Poole Granddaur S 19 Pupil Teacher Nurserabad Bombay India
Elizabeth Atkinson Cousin Wid 75 Knipton Leicestershire

kiterunner

09-10-13, 22:46

So this could be her death:

Deaths Sep 1898
Atkinson Elizabeth 83 Grantham 7a 298a

Glen TK

09-10-13, 23:04

Woolsthorpe would certainly tie in with the family, age on that death ref is a bit out but by then I think the family had pretty much cleared out of the area and I don't believe she had any children.

No idea who Martha the cousin is though, it's not a name that appears on that side of the family.

kiterunner

10-10-13, 07:52

FreeREG has the burial - Elizabeth Atkinson buried 16 Jul 1898 St James, Woolsthorpe, Lincolnshire, age 83, abode Woolsthorpe.

kiterunner

10-10-13, 08:05

No idea who Martha the cousin is though, it's not a name that appears on that side of the family.

There is a Mary A Griffiths, widow, age 74, in Woolsthorpe in 1901, probably the same person as Martha.

And in 1881 at 11 Queen Street, Newark:
John Griffiths Head Mar 53 Labourer General Pembrokes Lydslip Penally(?)
Martha Ann Wife " 53 Lincolns Woolsthorpe
Frances Adelaide Poole Granddaur 9 Scholar Nusenabad East Indies

kiterunner

10-10-13, 08:12

The granddaughter is on FamilySearch slightly mistranscribed:
Francis Adalisle Poole, born 10 Jan 1872, baptised 21 Jan 1872, Nusseerabad, Bombay, India, parents Charles and Sarah Anne.

Merry

10-10-13, 08:35

I got stuck with Martha going back. There's a Martha Ann Dodson born right place and time, but she married someone called Horse-something, though I couldn't see a death for her. I hadn't tried to work in Charles and Sarah Ann Poole though.

kiterunner

10-10-13, 08:47

I got stuck with Martha going back. There's a Martha Ann Dodson born right place and time, but she married someone called Horse-something

Henry Horsewood.

kiterunner

10-10-13, 08:48

Hmm, then there is a marriage for a Martha Ann Horsewood in Sheffield in 1863 but not to a John Griffith(s).
Edit - it is on FamilySearch and she married Thomas Robinson, but it doesn't give her father's name to check whether it is the same Martha.

kiterunner

10-10-13, 08:50

Martha Ann Horsewood has a daughter Sarah Ann age 8 on the 1861 census.

Old Law, Woolsthorpe, Lincs
Sarah Dodson Head Wid 84 Lincolnsh Marston
William Do Son Wid 57 Shoemaker Do Woolsthorpe
John Do Grandson Un 25 Do Do Do
Martha Horsewood Granddaur Mar 33 Visitor Lincolnshire, Woolsthorpe
Sarah Ann Do Gt Granddaur 8 Do Do Do
Mary Millhouse Servant Un 21 House Servant Do Do

kiterunner

10-10-13, 08:59

Possible remarriage?

Marriages Jun 1888

Griffiths John Aston 6d 476
Moore George Aston 6d 476
ROBINSON Martha Ann Aston 6d 476
STAIT Sarah Ann Aston 6d 476

Merry

10-10-13, 09:09

Merry

10-10-13, 09:18

Possible remarriage?

Marriages Jun 1888

Griffiths John Aston 6d 476
Moore George Aston 6d 476
ROBINSON Martha Ann Aston 6d 476
STAIT Sarah Ann Aston 6d 476

I'm a bit confused by that :confused::confused::confused:

Do you think this is John Griffiths death?

Deaths Jun 1887
Griffiths John George 58 Grantham 7a 283

Merry

10-10-13, 09:20

Tesco is calling me....back later.

kiterunner

10-10-13, 10:12

Sorry, I didn't think that remarriage was very likely but I posted it up so I didn't forget it as I had to go out shopping too! Back now.

And yes, that death looks likely for John, so we can forget about that marriage.

kiterunner

10-10-13, 10:17

Oh - FamilySearch has their marriage!

John Griffiths, son of William Griffiths, married Martha Ann Robinson, daughter of William Dodson, 27 Jun 1872 Cawnpore, Bengal, India!

kiterunner

10-10-13, 10:19

So I suppose now we just need to work out how Martha Dodson and Elizabeth Atkinson are cousins to see whether it was the right Elizabeth or if this has all been one big red herring.

kiterunner

10-10-13, 10:22

FamilySearch has the baptism of Martha Ann Dodson 6 Jan 1828 Woolsthorpe, parents William and Mary. Also the baptism of Sarah Ann Dodson 30 Dec 1852 Woolsthorpe, mother Martha Ann Dodson.

kiterunner

10-10-13, 11:30

Looking at the 1881 census, there is a William Atkinson, age 60, married, millwright, born Lincoln, patient at Devonshire Hospital, Buxton, Derbyshire. I still can't find Elizabeth in 1881.

Merry

10-10-13, 11:36

Just got in, but I'm going to have to read that again! lol Time to eat first, but I may not get back until later.

Merry

10-10-13, 12:12

Ahha!

Marriages Sep 1849
Atkinson William Grantham 14 541
Dodson Elizabeth Grantham 14 541

So at the start when Glen said:

Elizabeth Goulson bapt 1823, Knipton, Leics

did he have the wrong person?

kiterunner

10-10-13, 12:26

Well spotted, Merry. I was going to check that end of it next.

kiterunner

10-10-13, 12:29

There is an Elizabeth Goulson in Lincoln on the 1851 census, 27, unmarried, born Belvoir Leicestershire, sister of Valentine Goulson age 32. Is that your Elizabeth, Glen? (FamilySearch has baptisms for both Valentine and Elizabeth at Knipton with the same parents, so I reckon it is.)

kiterunner

10-10-13, 12:34

There is an Elizabeth Goulson marriage in 1852, Newark district. But I'm not sure who she married yet - either George Ellis or Thomas Wilde Hunt, according to FreeBMD.
And another one in 1854, Newark district, possible spouses David John Cox or Henry Wileman / Willman.

Merry

10-10-13, 12:40

I googled Thomas Wilde Hunt (turns out he isn't the groom!) and found a thread from last year on another site where Glen was researching this.

Merry

10-10-13, 12:42

Glen must have forgotten the wrong path had been taken.

kiterunner

10-10-13, 12:51

A "wilde hunt" indeed!

kiterunner

10-10-13, 12:55

So, having read through that old thread, we need to find Robert Atkinson and Elizabeth Ellis who married 4 Feb 1859 at Newark to see if that's the right Elizabeth.

Merry

10-10-13, 14:38

I am helping dau build a papier-mache and and cardboard version of the Bishop Rock lighthouse (by tomorrow lol) so I'll have a look at that later!!

Merry

10-10-13, 17:11

This looks like that couple:

1861 census, Westborough, Lincs

Robert Atkinson head m 40 publican and ag lab b Westborough, Lincolnshire
Elizabeth Atkinson wife m 39 b ditto
Emma Isaac niece 5 b Notts

Merry

10-10-13, 17:13

She's the right age. Westborough is 8 miles from Knipton.

Merry

10-10-13, 17:20

They do seem very determined to have been born in Westborough (1871, 1881, 1891 census records and 1901 for Elizabeth)

kiterunner

10-10-13, 17:24

Yes, I thought that was probably them too.

Merry

10-10-13, 19:05

Oh, looks like they emigrated and George and Elizabeth Ellis had a daughter Fannie in about 1864:

Name: John Newton
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 05 Jun 1895
Event Place: St Davids, Lincoln, Ontario, Canada
Age: 28
Birth Year (Estimated): 1867
Father's Name: Andrew Newton
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Mccormack
Spouse's Name: Fannie Ellis
Spouse's Age: 31
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1864
Spouse's Father's Name: George Ellis
Spouse's Mother's Name: Elizabeth Goulson <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Page: 007296
GS Film Number: 1870709
Digital Folder Number: 004529259
Image Number: 00572

Merry

10-10-13, 19:21

Canadian 1880 census:

Niagara, Niagara, Ontario, Canada

George Ellis M 58y England
Elizabeth Ellis F 56y England
William Ellis M 22y Ontario
Amy Ellis F 22y Ontario
Elizabeth Ellis F 20y Ontario
Fannie Ellis F 17y Ontario
Annie Ellis F 13y Ontario
Edward Ellis M 8m Ontario

kiterunner

10-10-13, 22:06

Is this the same Elizabeth in 1901?
Niagara, Ontario
Ellis Joseph Head S born 1 Jul 1856 age 44 born Ontario
Ellis Elizabeth Mother W born 28 Jul 1823 age 77 born England.

If it is, then the son being called Joseph, and the date of Elizabeth's birth, fit well with her father being Joseph and her baptism 23 Aug 1823.

Yes, found them in 1871 now and Joseph is part of the family:
Stamford, Ontario
Ellis George 47
Elizabeth 47
George P 17 born U States
Joseph 15 born Ontario
William 13 born Ontario
Amy 13 born Ontario
Elizabeth 11 born Ontario
Fanny 7 born Ontario
Anne 3 born Ontario
Hay George 23 born England
Ellis Charles 17 born Ontario

kiterunner

10-10-13, 22:45

There is a possible death on ancestry at Welland, Ontario:
Elizabeth Ellis died 16 Apr 1908 age 84, residence township of Stamford, widow, born England, informant William Ellis. Religious denomination Methodist, which matches the Elizabeth on the 1901 census though the family had various different religions on the 1871 census.

Merry

11-10-13, 06:06

Well done that looks extremely likely!

*looks round for Glen* :)

Glen TK

12-10-13, 18:50

Sorry this sleeping away in the truck and relying on dongles for internet doesn't always work out.

Elizabeth bapt 1823 is the sister of Valentine, looking at my TP I have the following for her;

Goulson, Elizabeth

b. 1823
Knipton Leicestershire
e. Baptism
23 Aug 1823
Knipton Leicestershire

m. Ellis, George
15 May 1852
Newark, Nottinghamshire

m. Atkinson, William
04 Feb 1859
Newark, Nottinhamshire

1841
Name: Elizabeth Goulson
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1826

Civil parish: Lowestoft
Hundred: Mutford and Lothingland
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Source information: HO107/1030/6
Registration district: Mutford
Sub-registration district: Lowestoft
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Folio: 36
Page: 26
Line number: 14

Found with her sister Ann and brother in law George Hay

1851
Name: Elizabeth Goulson
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Sister
Where born: Betorn, Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Lincoln St Swithin
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Source information: HO107/2105
Registration district: Lincoln
Sub-registration district: Lincoln Home
ED, institution, or vessel: 20b
Folio: 378
Page: 13

1861 census

William Atkinson, head, 42, millwright, born Lincoln
Elizabeth Atkinson, wife, 44, born Knipton, Leics.

living at 13 King Street, Newark.

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Marriages Jun 1852 (>99%)
Ellis George Newark 7b 460
Goulson Elizabeth Newark 7b 460

Merry

12-10-13, 20:28

This marriage:

m. Ellis, George
15 May 1852
Newark, Nottinghamshire

....is right, but is followed by the family moving to Ontario, Canada. The Atkinson records are different people.

Glen TK

13-10-13, 11:49

So she went to Canada? No wonder I haven't been able to finish her off and wrap that generation up with a set of birth/death dates.

Merry

13-10-13, 11:53

Yep, just look at the last few posts on this thread!

Glen TK

13-10-13, 12:21

Just got them, for some reason I was only showing 3 pages of replies??

Great research and thanks both of you for tracking her down. The Methodist reference looks very likely as many of the family were strongly connected to the movement and reported as such in English and overseas newspapers.

Glen TK

13-10-13, 12:29

OOOOHHH

1870 Canada Census
Stamford, Ontario
Ellis George 47
Elizabeth 47
George P 17 born U States
Joseph 15 born Ontario
William 13 born Ontario
Amy 13 born Ontario
Elizabeth 11 born Ontario
Fanny 7 born Ontario
Anne 3 born Ontario
Hay George 23 born England
Ellis Charles 17 born Ontario

Could George Hay be the George Hay b 1845 Berwick, son of George Hay (coastguard) and Ann Goulson, (sister of Elizabeth)????

Glen TK

13-10-13, 12:38

OOOOOHHHHH :d

George Hay appears in the 1851 at Berwick, by 1861 his mother had died and dad had remarried, no sign of young George in the 1861 so it looks like it could well be him.

Phoenix

13-10-13, 12:57

Oh. wow! Not good on the Goulsons, but I do remember George Hay;)

Glen TK

13-10-13, 13:11

Yes this one is the son of the coastguard.

In 1841 Elizabeth Goulson appears with coastguard George in Yarmouth, by 1851 George was in Berwick, it seems that despite being way up north in 1851 that they remained in touch with family in Lincs and of course he had another son (Joseph the mariner), who retired to Lincoln.

Now what happened to George jnr in Canada me wonders?

Janet

13-10-13, 13:49

If you Google "George Ellis" Stamford Ontario I think you'll be busy all day...

Janet

13-10-13, 14:07

Yours?

Stamford Settler Records (https://sites.google.com/site/niagarasettlers2/stamford-settlers-e)

Settler Records "E"
Stamford Township, Welland County

Extracted from the
Abstracts of Deeds

Register of Stamford Township

Ellis, George

On 13 Nov 1865 (Reg 5 Dec 1863) James Scott et ux sold to George Ellis 7 acres 2 roods 16 perches in Lot 2 Gore of Stamford Twp. known as part of the Dorshimer farm for $300.00 (C #11944)

This came up when I Googled "George Ellis" Stamford -CT -Connecticut.

Janet

13-10-13, 14:13

Voilà!

http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u533/pix4janet/GeorgeEllis_zps2ce109c3.jpg

From the Niagara Falls, Canada municipal website.
George Ellis - Elizabeth Goulson - James McLean - Fannie McLean (http://www.niagarafalls.ca/city-hall/municipal-works/cemetery/genealogy/ellis-george-stamford-03-0005-2-1-fb.cem)