for my cousin -Agnes E M Horne m 1921

[garstonite]

good morning - is it possible to find the full name and birth of
Agnes E M Horne who married Charles Simons sep qtr 1921 Headington
my cousin had 6 children for them
I found 8 - one was under MMN Horn with no e
so she is delighted to have found the other 2 ...I will ask her to join GF and she can then post on this thread ...thanks -
allan;)

[kiterunner]

Ancestry isn't loading for me at the moment, Allan, but I will look when it is.

[garstonite]

thanks Kiterunner
could she be
Agnes Ethell May Horn (no e ) born Clanfield ,Oxfordshire 1903 /1904
aged 7 in 1911 census in Clanfield .Oxfordshire ??

[Phoenix]

That seems the obvious one, Allan. Daughter of Jesse.

[Phoenix]

I've got 9 children: 4 at Bicester, 5 at Ploughley.

[garstonite]

That seems the obvious one, Allan. Daughter of Jesse.
Thanks very much Phoenix for helping ...
Is that Jesse as mum - or Jesse as dad ?...

[Phoenix]

Must be something in the water: the two boys were born at Ploughley.

[Phoenix]

Father. I'll check the rest on the 1911...

[Shona]

There a birth reg for Agnes Ethel M Horn, JAS 1903, Whitney, Oxfordshire.

[Phoenix]

RG number: RG14

Piece: 8217

Reference: RG14PN8217 RG78PN419 RD156 SD2 ED8 SN66

Registration District: Witney

Sub District: Bampton

Enumeration District: 8

Parish: Clanfield

Address: Clanfield Oxon

County: Oxfordshire


HORN, Jesse Head Married M 44 1867 Carpenter Agricultural Imployment Clanfield Oxfordshire VIEW
HORN, Sarah Elizabeth Wife Married19 years F 41 1870 Faringdon Berks VIEW
HORN, William Jesse Son Single M 19 1892 Striker Agricultural Implements Clanfield Oxfordshire VIEW
HORN, Charles Sydney Son Single M 18 1893 Second Carter On Farm Clanfield Oxfordshire VIEW
HORN, Albert John Son Single M 15 1896 Second Carter On Farm Clanfield Oxfordshire VIEW
HORN, Edwin James Son M 12 1899 School Clanfield Oxfordshire VIEW
HORN, Troylus Frank Son M 10 1901 School Clanfield Oxfordshire VIEW
HORN, Agnes Ethell May Daughter F 7 1904 Clanfield Oxfordshire VIEW
HORN, Frances Hilda Daughter F 5 1906 Clanfield Oxfordshire

[garstonite]

I've got 9 children: 4 at Bicester, 5 at Ploughley.
Joan 1922
Audrey 1923
Beryl 1926
PHYLISS 1928 ...the direct line we are researching ...
O**** 1932
A** 1935
C**** 1939
R*** 1942

is the other a son starting with a C ?.. C*******

[garstonite]

There a birth reg for Agnes Ethel M Horn, JAS 1903, Whitney, Oxfordshire.

Thanks Shona ...what does the JAS stand for ??

[Phoenix]

September quarter - July - Sep. Puzzled me too.

[Shona]

Thanks Shona ...what does the JAS stand for ??

July-Aug-Sept quarter.

[garstonite]

July-Aug-Sept quarter.

Ha ha ...am I slow or what ?....red faced ....
thanks Shona ...

[garstonite]

Thank you all - you`re brilliant - always have been ..I am signing off now - my relative will be registered soon and can take it from here ...thanx again
allan

[carolbrown73]

Hi im carol the daughter of phyliss m simons allan has giving me some much needed information about mum and her siblings and im chuffed to bits but I also have other lines of relatives my dad yikes erm at this stage its abit of a mystery I know he was married to a [Name Removed] in 1954 and there were offspring from that marriage but I need help filling in the blanks from the time period 1954-1969 when my sibling georgina was born...what happened tgere is no divorce record did he just leave his wife did she pass away I just have no idea and is there any living relatives still around etc etc his name is Frederick brown dob 30/11/1934. Its a wonderful intriguing journey but im loving it All my love carol x

[kiterunner]

Hi Carol and welcome to the site. Sorry, but I would just like to point out that our site policy is not to post up information about living people without their consent, so if anyone has information about living relatives, they will need to send it to you in a PM (private message).

Is your father still alive? If so then we will need to delete his name and dob unless you have his permission to post it.

Also I will have to delete his wife's name as she could still be alive, unless you know for sure that she is dead in which case I can put it back. If people want to help find out what happened to her, they will need to send you a PM to see her name, or they can PM me for it.

[kiterunner]

what happened tgere is no divorce record did he just leave his wife did she pass away I just have no idea

Where have you looked for divorce records, Carol?

[carolbrown73]

Hi kite runner when I was on find my past there was a section right at the top after pressing search and divorce was in one of categories pretty much wouldn't let me do anything

[carolbrown73]

Dad and his wife are both deceased kiterunner

[kiterunner]

Hi kite runner when I was on find my past there was a section right at the top after pressing search and divorce was in one of categories pretty much wouldn't let me do anything

Oh, ok. Findmypast only has divorce records from 1858-1903, so if your father got divorced it wouldn't be on there.

Unfortunately because Brown is such a common surname, it is going to be difficult to be sure of finding the right records. Do you have a copy of the marriage certificate from when your father married his wife? If so, then what was her full name? She has a middle initial A on the marriage index. Also what was your father's middle name, please?

[carolbrown73]

I've literally just found out that he was married kiterunner like within the last 48hrs my fathers full name is Frederick walter brown born 30/11/1934 son of georgina Williams and Frederick charles brown his parents where married

[kiterunner]

Can I ask how you know that his wife is deceased, please, Carol? What information do you have about her?

[carolbrown73]

And also kite runner would it be any trouble to just confirm that thomas Daniel palmer was not married to my mum phyliss mary simons both parties are deceased thank you mums date of birth 28/10/1928 thomas Daniel palmer dob is 19/07/1924

[carolbrown73]

Pretty much nothing I did a engine search and she kinda fitted the bill and the lady which im assuming had passed was [Name removed] I could very well be very wrong however think I put in all the correct information

[kiterunner]

And also kite runner would it be any trouble to just confirm that thomas Daniel palmer was not married to my mum phyliss mary simons both parties are deceased thank you mums date of birth 28/10/1928 thomas Daniel palmer dob is 19/07/1924
It is not going to be easy to confirm that they were not married, because even if we don't find a marriage in the UK, they could have got married anywhere in the world, and not all records are online.

Pretty much nothing I did a engine search and she kinda fitted the bill and the lady which im assuming had passed was... I could very well be very wrong however think I put in all the correct information
Can you tell us what information you found, please, Carol?

[carolbrown73]

I know that she never left the country at all for sure so much so when she was alive she was a depressed character always moaning that she never left her bubble and that she was fed up with the same thong day in day out...and when asked have you ever been abroad mam no she said why would I want to go abroad when I haven't seen the english map...but ive done engine search both thomas and phyliss both return no marriages...ive discovered her parents names siblings etc etc dads side his routes to tge toxeth area of Liverpool including his mam name and and fathers name georgina was his mothers name my eldest sister was named after her and his his marriage with Eleanor as a novice starting out but absolutely loving the journey these people had lives and thats just amazing

[kiterunner]

Thomas Daniel Palmer and Phyllis Mary Simons got married in Scotland in 1949. I will just narrow down what district it was in and then give you the info on how to get to see the certificate...

[carolbrown73]

Awww thank you thats very much appreciated

[kiterunner]

Thomas Daniel Palmer and Phyllis Mary Simons got married in Scotland in 1949. I will just narrow down what district it was in and then give you the info on how to get to see the certificate...
Okay, it was at Stranraer, Wigtownshire.
The website with all the Scottish records on is Scotland's People:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/



The marriage is listed under "Statutory Registers - Marriages". I only did a free search, so I didn't look at the list of results, but it says there is one match for those names with the year and place that I have posted. In the information about viewing records, it says that you can't view marriage certificates online if they are less than 75 years old, so you would have to order a copy:

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=554&412

Annoyingly enough, it seems that you have to buy 30 credits for £7 just to search the index and get to click on the "Order" button, and then you have to pay £12 for the certificate on top of that. Seems unfair if you are not likely to be using the rest of the credits. Maybe someone else on here will know if there is any other way of doing it.

[carolbrown73]

I was just wondering if you had found the information thanks

[carolbrown73]

Its not giving much up to be honest but thanks for trying

[kiterunner]

Its not giving much up to be honest but thanks for trying

Sorry, I don't know what you mean?

[carolbrown73]

I mean you have to buy credits and it does say one match but unless I get credits its not giving much up in the form of information....but im sure there is away around it I shall probably go and ask my olderest relative who should be able to shed light on this hopefully finger crossed thanks again

[Shona]

If you call the General Register Office's Extract Ordering Service on 0131 314 4411, the cost for a copy of marriage certificate is £15. Or call the Stranraer Reg Office on 01776 888439.

Did any of the family have connections with Scotland?

[carolbrown73]

No shona not to my knowledge only thing I could possibly think that would be a connection of any type would be the war and to be honest im quite shocked cos in the whole time her being on the planet she never ever once mentioned Scotland at all like I said her character was of that of eeyore if you get my meaning always moaning right victor meldrew but beautiful woman inside and out and there were no wedding photos nothing and she like to talk alot about her time growning up in Oxford and she kinda was sad about leaving her hometown but never ever mentioned Scotland not once

[Shona]

I was wondering if it could be connected to war-time service.

On Ancestry, I found a Thos Daniel Palmer of the Royal Fleet Reserve who was awarded a long-service and good-conduct medal - 1935-1952.

Stranraer, Lochryan and Cairnryan became hugely important naval bases in WW2.

[carolbrown73]

Was Scotland were he was posted then and do you have the link please shona

[carolbrown73]

Wouldn't that of only made thomas 13yrs dob 19/07/1924

[Shona]

This is the link on Ancestry to the medal record.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=navalmedalrolls&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsfn=thomas&gsfn_x=NN&gsln=palmer&gsln_x=XO&gskw=daniel&gskw_x=1&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=fpy&cp=11&pcat=39&fh=0&h=1216477&recoff=3+5&ml_rpos=1

In WW2, following heavy bombing of the Mersey and Clyde areas, Stranraer (and Campbeltown, which I know more about) became important hubs for naval activities.

[Shona]

Wouldn't that of only made thomas 13yrs dob 19/07/1924

Good point. The year range may refer to the record collection rather than the person's length of service.

[carolbrown73]

Oh excellent maybe something solid yaaaaay thanks shona

[Shona]

Oh excellent maybe something solid yaaaaay thanks shona

May be a total red herring, though!

[carolbrown73]

Yeah I think you was right red herring...
It just wasn't concrete enough to confirm or not so ive asked the families oldest living relative who would of been in her around at the time..just waiting on some info but just wanted to say thank you shona