Moses Smith carpenter born Sevenoaks

[tenterfieldjulie]

I'm trying to see if I can unravel Moses a bit further but he is being stubborn.
We know his daughter Rosa/Rose married Edward Parker in 1865 at St. Mary Plaistow West Ham Essex
In the 1861 Census at Plaistow are Moses born C 1794 (67) Sevenoaks, Kent, carpenter, Maria C1801 (60) Dagenham, West Ham living with daughter Harriet C1835 dressmaker and 2 grandchildren Ellen and James .
I did have them in the 1851 Census also with Lucy 1836, Edward 1837 and Rosa 1839 but now I can't find them .. I've tried Ancestry, famsearch and free cen ..
Help please.
I would think Moses and Maria would have been married early 1830's in West Ham but can't see it on Ancestry.

[tenterfieldjulie]

Found possible deaths at West Ham on FreeBDM
Moses Smith in Mar Q 1864
Maria Smith in Dec Q 1862 but unfortunately no ages so nothing conclusive..
amazed at the number of Moses Smiths..

[kiterunner]

Moses is transcribed as Mbers on ancestry:
1851 ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8860/ESSHO107_1768_1769-0263/4660603?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3frank%3d0%26gsfn%3dhar*%26gsln%3d%2 6sx%3d%26f1%3d%26f2%3d%26f4%3d%26f18__n%3d%26f12__ n%3d%26rg_81004011__date%3d1835%26rs_81004011__dat e%3d2%26f27%3d%26f14%3dess*%26f15%3dpla*%26_8000C0 02%3d%26_80008002%3d%26_80018002%3d%26f7%3d%26f8%3 d%26f9%3d%26gskw%3d%26prox%3d1%26db%3duki1851%26ti %3d5538%26ti.si%3d0%26gl%3d%26gss%3dmp-uki1851%26gst%3d%26so%3d3&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

and his birthplace on the 1851 census is Rainham Essex.

[kiterunner]

There is a Moses Smith / Maria Palmer marriage 2 May 1819 at St Dunstan, Stepney, on FamilySearch. Possible? Have you found them on the 1841 census, and have you got baptisms for the children? I have to go out now but will look some more later.

[tenterfieldjulie]

Thanks for that Kate .. pleased you found them in 1851, I'm not sure how I found them originally. .. it is confusing with the 2 birth places for Moses being so different .. they are still living at the same address in Pinnock Place, Plaistow. I have not found them in the 1841
No I didn't find that marriage or their baptisms, it says that the children are all born in Plaistow on the Census. Thanks again. Julie

[kiterunner]

Back now. 1819 looks more likely for their marriage than 1830's given their ages on those censuses, don't you think?

[tenterfieldjulie]

Yes I think so. I'd imagine that there are older children that Harriet, as she is aged 18 in the 1851 Census and Moses 56 and Maria 50.

[kiterunner]

This is that marriage on ancestry:
marriage record (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1623/31280_194755-00449/2076738?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dLMAmarriages%252c%26rank%3d0% 26gsfn%3dmos*%26gsln%3dsmith%26sx%3d%26gs1co%3d1%2 52cAll%2bCountries%26gs1pl%3d1%252c%2b%26year%3d%2 6yearend%3d%26sbo%3d0%26sbor%3d%26ufr%3d0%26wp%3d4 %253b_80000002%253b_80000003%26srchb%3dr%26prox%3d 1%26ti%3d5538%26ti.si%3d0%26gss%3dangs-d%26gl%3d%26gst%3d%26hc%3d10%26fh%3d40%26bsk%3dCIA ABlcAXm7j%26pgoff%3d3&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

both of Poplar.

[kiterunner]

The baptisms could be on Essex Ancestors / SEAX but it is a pay site.

Ah, here they are in 1841 still at the same address. Moses is transcribed as Mamoses on ancestry but to be fair, there is a Mr or something just before Moses on the image:

1841 census (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8978/ESSCHO107_322_323-0714/16285617?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3frank%3d0%26gsfn%3d%26gsln%3dsmith% 26sx%3d%26f1%3dEssex%26f2%3d%26f3%3d%26f18%3dMale% 26rg_81004011__date%3d1792%26rs_81004011__date%3d0 %26_82004011%3d%26_82004013%3d%26f7%3d%26f20%3d%26 f8%3d%26f9%3d%26gskw%3d%26prox%3d1%26db%3duki1841% 26ti%3d5538%26ti.si%3d0%26gl%3d%26gss%3drfs%26gst% 3d%26so%3d3&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

Pinnocks Place, West Ham, Essex
Moses Smith 49 Carpenter Y
Maria Do 43 Y
Wm Do 20 Carpenter Y
Steven Do 19 Groom Y
Louisa Do 14 Y
Eliza Do 12 Y
Sarh Do 10 Y
Harriett Do 8 Y
Edmond Do 6 Y
Lause(?) Do 4 Y
Rosina Do 2 Y

[tenterfieldjulie]

Kate that is brilliant .. fits with the Maria Palmer marriage ..
Poplar is the same side of the Thames as Pinnock Place ..
I tried looking for the birth of Rose/Rosa on FreeBMD .. now I will go back and look for Rosina
If Maria Palmer could be found born C 1801 at Dagenham would be nice lol

[kiterunner]

If Maria Palmer could be found born C 1801 at Dagenham would be nice lol

Again, the parish registers are available on Essex Ancestors / SEAX. The cheapest sub is £5 for 24 hours.

[tenterfieldjulie]

Looks like I'll have to invest a little tomorrow. Thanks Kate. Julie