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If anyone has this I wonder if I could get any results on Francois Giacobbi.
He would have been born about 1810-1820 (I think) probably France, maybe Corsica.
He should be in California somewhere.
If there are some hits I will seriously consider ringing Ancestry and upgrading my sub.
Thanks.
1880 census as Jiacobi in San Francisco
Francisco 67 born Corsica (parents both from Corsica), retired farmer
Marie 50 born Corica (parents both from Corsica), keeping house
Louis A 22 born California, works in ? store
Sophie 17 born California, apprentice millinery
Virgil 9 born California
I can see the sons in 1900 too. There are wills proved in England for both Francois and Marie. Looks like it's worth upgrading, although I'm happy to look further if yuo let me know what you're after.
Thank you Rick. I'll let you know.
Rick......I wonder if I could ask for one more thing???
Can you have a quick look and see if you can find the marriage of Francois Giacobbi and Marie Salicetti. I do not know if they married in USA or France, sorry.
Sorry - no hint of a marriage. There are two public trees which, if correct, would imply they married before reaching the US. I'll see if I can find them on the 1860 - Louis's details mean they should be in California.
Searching for Marie's name gives a death for the daughter Sophie on 11 Jan 1950, wife of John Garrisere. DOB is 7 Jan 1863 Mayfield. California.
Rick.
I saw the trees thanks Rick, and sent a question to one owner.
I will call Ancestry in a minute and ask about world sub. This is an addition to my other thread about France 1850s.
My Agatha Clark (nee Ariel) married Francois Giacobbi in Paris in 1848 and apparently died about 1851 although we've never found that death.
One of those trees has a son for Francois (William) being born 1851 and dying 1851. I was just trying to see if this was Agatha's or Marie's child.
Of course it may be a different Francois but I can't find any others and if Agatha died 1851 it doesn't give Francois a lot of time to marry Marie and have a child in the same year....possible though.
One tree also has William being born on the ship.
Mary from Italy
03-10-13, 00:28
Libby, it's much cheaper to buy a copy of Family Tree Maker with a 6-month free sub to Ancestry World edition. You don't actually have to instal the program if you don't want to.
I think the cheapest place to buy it is on e-bay.
William is shown on at least one tree as François and Marie's child, who was born and died at sea.
I think I've already looked at all the trees containing François/Francesco, and Agatha wasn't mentioned in any of them, except one private tree which might be worth checking out. One or two of the public trees give an exact date of birth for François in Cervioni, Corsica in 1813. Corsican BMD records are being put online by the local archives, but Cervioni hasn't been done yet. As he lived in the USA, I would guess the birth details come from US records.
Thanks Mary...have just replied on the other thread.
If Will is Marie's child it would probably mean Agatha died pre 1851?
I will check out the ebay FTM. They want $299 for a year of World Ancestry if you are new. $450 if you are upgrading......not great for loyalty.
Mary from Italy
03-10-13, 00:41
I think I spent about £30 on FTM with a 6-month sub last time.
Libby if you buy through ancestry buy through the uk site. I got a world sub for little more ($10ish) than an aussie middle sub.
What religion was Agatha and Francoise?
Agatha started out non-con as were all her family. They mostly used Broadmead Baptist in Bristol, but her first husband was C of E (his brother was a minister)
What about her second husband?
No idea Toni. The marriage was in Paris and I think they are all civil marriages.
Mary from Italy
08-10-13, 09:30
I thought it was an RC marriage, wasn't it?
I don't know Mary. I thought it was civil. Back in a mo.
The cert says St Jacques du (then about 4 letters I can't read) - Pas.
I thought that was the district. I might be the church.
Mary from Italy
08-10-13, 22:01
This is it; it's an RC church.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Église_Saint-Jacques-du-Haut-Pas
Well I'll be. I suppose in those days she would have to have converted or maybe she just said she was RC, although you'd think that could be verified.
is it possible she didn't die then? Just he said so as RC were not supposed to divorce?
Okay, I have to stick my foot in it. Who's this Agatha Ariel Clark getting married in 1863 in Gloucestershire, then? (The image pretty clearly says Ariel to me.)
Off FMP:
First Name: AGATHA ARIOL
Last Name: CLARK
Year: 1863
Event Quarter: 4
Country: England
County: Gloucestershire
District: CLIFTON
Volume: 6A
Page: 301
Line Number: 30
Potential Spouse Names: EDWIN ENGLAND
HENRY LAW HARKNESS
Record set: England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category: Vital Records (Birth, Marriage, Death)
Record collection: Marriages & divorces
Collections from: Great Britain
???
http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/u533/pix4janet/AgathaArielHarkness_zps8d1b0da1.jpg
In 2011, the relative value of £5,863 10s 4d from 1896 ranges from £556,800.00 to £5,631,000.00 as per measuringworth.com.
I know, I know!!!!!!!!!!
She is the daughter of the Agatha this thread is about :D:D:D
Mary from Italy
09-10-13, 06:12
If I remember rightly, Agatha Ariel Harkness née Clark is the daughter of the Agatha Ariel that Libby's talking about in this thread. There are zillions of old threads about Libby's Ariels :)
Mary from Italy
09-10-13, 06:12
Snap, Merry :)
Mary from Italy
09-10-13, 06:13
is it possible she didn't die then?
No, there's an admon at the National Archives dated 1851, so she died between 1848 and 1851.
Hmmm. Okay. I like how Toni thinks, though. I think she's out there alive and well somewhere. :rolleyes:
EDIT: Ooops, never mind. Yes, Mary's right, there's that little matter of the admon.
tenterfieldjulie
09-10-13, 09:58
lol
Agatha go girl .. you had them talking then and so it continues ..
Did a bit of searching on the Giacobbi family in the USA, to see if there were any clues to help with the epic quest for Agatha.
The family appear in San Francisco directories:
1876
Giacobbi, Francis, dwl 1024 Powell
1878
Giacobbi, Francis, real estate, dwl 1024 Powell
1879
Giacobbi, Francis, r 1024 Powell
Giacobbi, Louis A, jeweler, Pacific Jewelry Co, r 1024 Powell
Giacobbi, Sophie M, Miss, r 1024 Powell
1880
Giacobbi, Francis, r 1024 Powell
Giacobbi, Louis A, jeweler, Pacific Jewelry Co, r 1024 Powell
Giacobbi, Virgil, r 1024 Powell
Who is this Mr Giacobbi arriving at Dover on 27 October 1848 from France?
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1587/31161_A003050-00237/286782?backurl=http%253a%252f%252fsearch.ancestry. co.uk%252fcgi-bin%252fsse.dll%253fdb%253dho2alienarrivals%2526so %253d2%2526pcat%253dROOT_CATEGORY%2526rank%253d1%2 526new%253d1%2526MSAV%253d1%2526msT%253d1%2526gss% 253dangs-g%2526gsfn_x%253dNN%2526gsln%253dGiacobbi%2526gsln _x%253dNN%2526cpxt%253d1%2526catBucket%253drstp%25 26uidh%253dfpy%2526cp%253d11&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
Could it be Agatha's husband?
Louis Agazio Giacobbi and his wife Louise applied for passports in 1921. They intended to travel to France, British Isles, Italy, Belgium and Switzerland. Louis states that his father, Francis Giacobbi, b in Corsica, emigrated to the USA in 1852.
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1174/USM1490_1472-0819/625670?backurl=http%253a%252f%252fsearch.ancestry. co.uk%252fcgi-bin%252fsse.dll%253fdb%253duspassports%2526so%253d 2%2526pcat%253dROOT_CATEGORY%2526rank%253d1%2526ne w%253d1%2526MSAV%253d1%2526msT%253d1%2526gss%253da ngs-g%2526gsfn%253dLouis%2526gsfn_x%253dNN%2526gsln%25 3dGiacobbi%2526gsln_x%253dNN%2526cpxt%253d1%2526ca tBucket%253drstp%2526uidh%253dfpy%2526cp%253d12&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
There is a photo of Louis and his wife on the next page - you needs world sub for ancestry to view it, though.
Louis and his wife Louise arrived back in the USA in July 1921 - they had sailed from Le Havre. They made another journey in 1928, sailing from Cherbourg to New York. On the 1928 record, he states he was born in Santa Clara on 15 April 1958.
Who is this Mr Giacobbi arriving at Dover on 27 October 1848 from France?
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1587/31161_A003050-00237/286782?backurl=http%253a%252f%252fsearch.ancestry. co.uk%252fcgi-bin%252fsse.dll%253fdb%253dho2alienarrivals%2526so %253d2%2526pcat%253dROOT_CATEGORY%2526rank%253d1%2 526new%253d1%2526MSAV%253d1%2526msT%253d1%2526gss% 253dangs-g%2526gsfn_x%253dNN%2526gsln%253dGiacobbi%2526gsln _x%253dNN%2526cpxt%253d1%2526catBucket%253drstp%25 26uidh%253dfpy%2526cp%253d11&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
Could it be Agatha's husband?
That's what I've always wondered!
I'm running to catch up with everyone else when it comes to Agatha Ariel!
Mary from Italy
09-10-13, 21:03
It does seem very likely it's her husband in view of the date. I still wonder what on earth she was doing in Paris in 1848, when there was a revolution on.
They must have been right in the thick of it; the revolution broke out on 23rd June, François (possibly) visited England on 27th October, Agatha and François were married on 15th November, and the revolution ended on 2nd December when Louis Napoleon was elected President.
Louis Agazio Giacobbi and his wife Louise applied for passports in 1921. They intended to travel to France, British Isles, Italy, Belgium and Switzerland. Louis states that his father, Francis Giacobbi, b in Corsica, emigrated to the USA in 1852.
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1174/USM1490_1472-0819/625670?backurl=http%253a%252f%252fsearch.ancestry. co.uk%252fcgi-bin%252fsse.dll%253fdb%253duspassports%2526so%253d 2%2526pcat%253dROOT_CATEGORY%2526rank%253d1%2526ne w%253d1%2526MSAV%253d1%2526msT%253d1%2526gss%253da ngs-g%2526gsfn%253dLouis%2526gsfn_x%253dNN%2526gsln%25 3dGiacobbi%2526gsln_x%253dNN%2526cpxt%253d1%2526ca tBucket%253drstp%2526uidh%253dfpy%2526cp%253d12&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
There is a photo of Louis and his wife on the next page - you needs world sub for ancestry to view it, though.
I have a world sub Libby if you need me to look at it for you.
He has the Hitler type mustache.
It does seem very likely it's her husband in view of the date. I still wonder what on earth she was doing in Paris in 1848, when there was a revolution on.
They must have been right in the thick of it; the revolution broke out on 23rd June, François (possibly) visited England on 27th October, Agatha and François were married on 15th November, and the revolution ended on 2nd December when Louis Napoleon was elected President.
...and the Bonapartes were Corsican.
I was once in Ajaccio during the festivities to celebrate Napoleon Bonaparte's birthday.
Mary from Italy
11-10-13, 09:18
There's a dynasty of Corsican politicians called Giacobbi, right down to the present day, but I haven't found out whether François fits into the family.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marius_Giacobbi
Thanks Toni. Janet has been helping with the USA bits.....but I will yell if I need you.
Mary...I see there was a Francois Giacobbi politician recently. I keep getting him every time I google. Of course only having being able to read Engish doesn't help although I do use Google translate where I can.
Mary from Italy
11-10-13, 10:48
If I find anything useful I'll translate it for you, but I haven't yet. The earliest Corsican Giacobbi politician I've found so far is Marius, born 1846, but I don't know who his parents were. When the Corsican parish records eventually go online they might be worth a browse.
Mary from Italy
11-10-13, 11:00
Here's the birth of Marius, son of Napoleon Giacobbi,
http://gw.geneanet.org/angelise?lang=en&m=N&v=GIACOBBI
I don't have much time today, but it might be worth your while exploring the trees on that site.
To search for a particular name on that site, put the following into Google:
"François Giacobbi" site:http://gw.geneanet.org
Libby,
Having browsed fairly extensively on French-language sites the other night, I will be quite surprised if it turns out your Giacobbi family is the same one as the politicians, although of course anything could happen. But the family of politicians seem to be very much involved in government everywhere and all the time, down through the generations, but your Giacobbis claim to be descended from simple farmers. And they left Corsica. That's the telling thing for me. The politicians live and breathe Corsica.
somebody's Corsican genealogy page (http://jm-mg.stefani.pagesperso-orange.fr/page8.htm)
Translating a portion of the above link (Mary and others, kindly correct me if my interpretation has gone astray):
Carlotti, Battesti, Stefani, Giacobbi ... these surnames are stuck into every little twist and turn of our genealogy. They arrive here, pass through there. The most battle-hardened spirit would get lost in there.
You said STEFANI !
You're thinking perhaps of the branch from which Pierre STEFANI (1914-1980) descended, by Orso-Paul STEFANI. But be careful, three grandparents of Orso-Paul coming from different lines were born STEFANI. The fourth fortunately was called GIACOBBI François (1795_1858) ... but he has nothing to do with François GIACOBBI, politician, related through the CARLOTTI branch thanks to an ancestor - wait for it - STEFANI. And yes, a Marie STEFANI (1834-1916), descended from this ancestor, gave birth, along with her husband François-Sauveur, to an army of little CARLOTTIs : there were eleven of them in the first generation. By the third generation - there is no escape - we find new STEFANIs, among whom are my mother Louise STEFANI. And precisely this Louise STEFANI is the wife of Pierre STEFANI, starting from whom the knot in the skein began, but she's not called STEFANI like her husband : as is the rule in genealogy, it's from her father Charles-Louis that she received her name, STEFANI. Yow !
You might have said CARLOTTI !
You need to get used to the idea that our cousins Pascal, Philippe, Marie-Rose and Marc-Antoine are children of Marie-Alexandra CARLOTTI our relative, and of Régulus CARLOTTI from another line of ascendance. To simplify, Marie-Alexandra had an uncle and a great-uncle CARLOTTI answering also, to simplify, to the civil and customary given name REGULUS.
We could not remain indifferent in the face of such complexity and the unbearable doubts of all those who find in our lineages the echo of their surname, that of their parents, their ancestors.
Hence this researcher's motto:
S'omu cerca, simu tutti parenti
Si on cherche bien, nous sommes tous parents (Assimil, Leçon 5)
i.e., if you do your research well, we are all related...
Bonne chance. :d
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