Callard/Collard Family

[tenterfieldjulie]

I am trying to knock down my brick wall with this family and thought I'd put what I've found here and see if anyone can see any chinks in the wall;(

James Callard married Elizabeth Musgrave at Milverton, Somerset by banns. Witnesses Jane Musgrave and John Sealy. Both sojourners. (I think Elizabeth was a local)

Children’s baptisms at Milverton (James was a labourer):
Sarah Musgrave Collard 14/2/1817. (migrates Australia m William Sloman)
William Collard 16/2/1820.
John (known as Jimmy) Collard 8/4/1822. (migrates Australia unmarried)
Elizabeth Callard 7/6/1824. (1851 Census unmarried)
Thomas Callard 4/3/1827. Buried 8/3/1835 aged 9 years Milverton.
Robert Callard 8/2/1829.
Charlotte Collard 1/1/1833 (born 9/12/1832) died 9/2/1841 aged 8 years (Callard)

Death – James Callard 5/8/1849 Milverton 60 years.

Census –
1841 Census – transcribed as Callow:
High Street, Milverton
Betty 50 Somerset washerwoman
William 20 “ ag lab
John 15 “ mason
Elizabeth 15
Robert 12

Also High Street, Milverton
With Trevelyan family +
Sarah Callard 20 born Somerset

1841 Halberton, Devon, Sampford Peverll, Higher Town (not proven)
Woodbury Henry 60 Ag Lab born Devon
Woodbury Mary 60
Collard James 50 Ag Lab born Devon
(1851 Woodburys are still there but no James Collard - my James died 1849)

1851 Census Milverton
Elizabeth Callard head 61 widow
John unmarried son 30 farm lab
Elizabeth um dau 26 farm lab

Free BDM Death Betty Collard March Q 1856 Somerset 5c 252 - need to buy this certificate

John (Jimmy) migrated on the “Nile” in 1861 and joined his sister Sarah Sloman in Aus.

Possible birth - James Collard bpt 1791 Saint Sidwell, Exeter, parents John and Betty.
Marriage Saint Sidwell, 15/7/1782 +John Collard and Betty Cole: Children bapt Saint Sidwell
+Thomas Colas 15/6/1783 (d 30/9/1792); Lucia 19/5/1785; +William 3/12/1788; James 11/6/1791;
George 13/6/1794. +notes names carried on by children of James.

Note that Milverton registers:
Baptisms end 1849.
Burials from 26/2/1860 to 15/3/1890 is a gap, ends 16/11/1890.
Marriages from 31/3/1837 to 4/3/1889 is a gap, ends 26/12/1900.

I’m trying to find out what happened to the rest of James & Betty’s children –
William B1820 ag lab 1841
Elizabeth B 1824 - not married 1851
Robert B 1829

I think I’ve found William, but would like to locate him at Bedminister in Census 1851 and 1861.
From famsearch I found William Callard (son of James) married 3/10/1847 St. John Bedminister Somerset to Eliza Watts. Baptism 2/1/1848 Bedminister Thomas Callard, parents William and Eliza.
Free bmd Bedminster Births Callard - James Jun Q 1852, Mary Ann Dec Q 1853, Charles Sep Q 1856 and Charlotte Mar Q 1866.

[kiterunner]

James Callard married Elizabeth Musgrave at Milverton, Somerset by banns. Witnesses Jane Musgrave and John Sealy. Both sojourners. (I think Elizabeth was a local)



Her birthplace on the 1851 census is Somerset Milverton.

[kiterunner]

Free BDM Death Betty Collard March Q 1856 Somerset 5c 252 - need to buy this certificate


The registration district for this is Wellington Somerset, which was the district for Milverton at the time.

[kiterunner]

Free Reg Bedminster Births Callard - James Jun Q 1852, Mary Ann Dec Q 1853, Charles Sep Q 1856 and Charlotte Mar Q 1866.

Are these from FreeBMD, Julie? FreeREG has parish register transcriptions and doesn't show quarters?

[tenterfieldjulie]

Sorry Kate . Yes Free BMD.
Thanks for reminding me why I thought she was born Milverton when it said she was a sojourner. Very happy.

[kiterunner]

From famsearch I found William Callard (son of James) married 3/10/1847 St. John Bedminister Somerset to Eliza Watts. Baptism 2/1/1848 Bedminister Thomas Callard, parents William and Eliza.


FreeBMD has a death for a Thomas Callard Jul-Sep 1849 Bedminster.

There is this couple at Union Road, St Philip & St Jacob, Bristol, in 1851:
William Collard Head Mar 25
Eliza Do Wife Do 25 Somerset
Ann Collard Lodger Widow 70 UK

1851 ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8860/GLSHO107_1954_1954-1071/7583855?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3frank%3d0%26gsfn%3dwil*%26gsln%3dc% 253fll*rd%26sx%3d%26f1%3d%26f2%3d%26f4%3d%26f18__n %3d%26f12__n%3d%26rg_81004011__date%3d%26rs_810040 11__date%3d0%26f27%3d%26f14%3d%26f15%3d%26_8000C00 2%3d%26_80008002%3d%26_80018002%3deli*%26f7%3d%26f 8%3d%26f9%3d%26gskw%3d%26prox%3d1%26db%3duki1851%2 6ti%3d5538%26ti.si%3d0%26gl%3d%26gss%3drfs%26gst%3 d%26so%3d3&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

[tenterfieldjulie]

It could be him but he was born 1820. A shame it doesn't give William's place of birth. Not sure the closeness of Bristol and Bedminster...

[kiterunner]

Not sure the closeness of Bristol and Bedminster...

Very close.

[tenterfieldjulie]

Yes Google maps tells me ..:o

[kiterunner]

Free bmd Bedminster Births Callard - James Jun Q 1852, Mary Ann Dec Q 1853, Charles Sep Q 1856 and Charlotte Mar Q 1866.

James, Mary Ann and Charles are the children of Benjamin Collard on the 1861 census. Benjamin's birthplace is Wells Somerset.

[kiterunner]

I think this is the same William / Eliza family in 1861, but still not sure whether it is your William - Wiveliscombe is close to Milverton but there are quite a lot of Collards in that area, and the age is still out by a few years:
1861 ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8767/GLSRG9_1733_1738-0742/18058258?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3frank%3d0%26gsfn%3dwil*%26gsln%3dc% 253fllard%26sx%3d%26f1%3d%26f2%3d%26f4%3d%26f18%3d %26f12__n%3d%26rg_81004011__date%3d1821%26rs_81004 011__date%3d10%26f27%3d%26f14%3dsom*%26f15%3d%26_8 000C002%3d%26_80008002%3d%26_80018002%3d%26f7%3d%2 6f8%3d%26f9%3d%26gskw%3d%26prox%3d1%26db%3duki1861 %26ti%3d5538%26ti.si%3d0%26gl%3d%26gss%3drfs%26gst %3d%26so%3d3&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

No 2 Princess St, St Philip & Jacob, Bristol
William Collard Head Mar 36 Shoe Maker Wiveliscomb Sommerset
Eliza Do Wife Mar 36 Chudleigh Devon
William Do Son 6 St Philips Bristol
Mary Do Daur 5 Do Do
Rosina Do Dau 5 mos

[kiterunner]

In addition to the Betty Collard death registration that you found Jan-Mar 1856, there is an Elizabeth Collard death Apr-Jun 1856 Wellington 5c 239. The district and volume were mistranscribed on FreeBMD so it wouldn't have come up on your search; I have submitted a correction. So one of these could be the daughter and one the mother?

[kiterunner]

Ancestry has a Robert Collard death 24 Mar 1888 Adelaide, South Australia, age 59, residence Deep Creek, Ashton. It doesn't show his parents' names.

[kiterunner]

No parents' names on the SA website either, but there is a marriage in 1881 in Adelaide, Robert Collard / Fanny Elizabeth Coles, and the birth of a son Robert William Collard in 1883 in Norwood. The marriage comes up on Trove but no details of family members. Same with his death.

[tenterfieldjulie]

Thanks Kate. I had a feeling that the William was the wrong one .. Robert in Adelaide that is very interesting. Will look tomorrow when I'm hopefully a bit more switched on lol .. Many thanks, some chinks are there I hope .. Julie

[tenterfieldjulie]

Thanks Kate for that second death of Elizabeth Callard, that would explain why John/Jimmy migrated in 1861. When I go to the RO at Taunton will I get the same details as if I buy death certificates? It will be interesting to find why there is that black hole in the Milverton transcriptions, whether they were missed or whether they have been lost.
Robert Collard, the death is certainly the right age, doubtful whether that is his marriage seven years earlier. It is possible but he would have been at least 50 I think. The Robert who married may be a son of the older Robert. Need to see if I can find his entry into Australia. Thanks again. Julie

[tenterfieldjulie]

Looking on Trove there were lots of Robert Collard's in the Colonies, however apart from the marriage in 1881, the most notable is the listing of the 40th Regiment of Foot leaving Adelaide in 1863, when they took part in the NZ wars at Taranki and Waikato and includes Robert Collard and George Coles.
The Regt first came to NSW in 1823, then went to India in 1828, came back to the Colonies in 1852 were in Vic, SA & WA. It appears that they were military families, whether this is my family?!!

I'm editing this .. Talk about overlook the obvious .. who are the 40th Regt of Foot? Only the 2nd Somersetshire!!!! Yeah ..

Sometimes with early marriages in Aust. the church has more records than on the index, but I tried with my Davies/Symons marriage which took place in the Wesleyan church in Adelaide and there was no further information, so I doubt the parents would be listed.

[kiterunner]

When I go to the RO at Taunton will I get the same details as if I buy death certificates?

The record office won't have death certificates, only burial info.

[Shona]

FMP have the service records for four Robert Collards. Can't see one who served in the 40th.

There is one who was in the 20th (a Devonshire Regiment) was born in North Petherton and 22 when he enlisted in 1859. He was discharged in 1862 in Chatham.

Will check the others.

The chap who served in the 40th appears in the 1861 Army Lists in NZ.

EDIT
The other Robert Collards were born in Braintree and Canterbury. The fourth is simply listed on an 1881 Army reserve list. Oh, and the one who served with the 20th appears on the 1861 Army List based at the Curragh and Aldershot.

[kiterunner]

Robert Collard, the death is certainly the right age, doubtful whether that is his marriage seven years earlier. It is possible but he would have been at least 50 I think. The Robert who married may be a son of the older Robert. Need to see if I can find his entry into Australia. Thanks again. Julie

The death notice in Trove gives the name of his wife though. Sorry, when I said it didn't mention family members I meant apart from his wife.

[tenterfieldjulie]

Kate I looked on Ancestry and found the marriage record in 1881 of Robert Collard and Fanny Elizabeth Coles, which says his father is Robert Collard. I found the marriage notice on Trove too.
On Ancestry I found Robert's death in 1888, age 59, but I can't find it on Trove. Can you tell me whether you found it as Callard or Collard please? Julie

[kiterunner]

Kate I looked on Ancestry and found the marriage record in 1881 of Robert Collard and Fanny Elizabeth Coles, which says his father is Robert Collard. I found the marriage notice on Trove too.
On Ancestry I found Robert's death in 1888, age 59, but I can't find it on Trove. Can you tell me whether you found it as Callard or Collard please? Julie

It is indexed as Eobert Collard. South Australian Weekly Chronicle, 31 Mar 1888:
COLLARD. - On the 24th March, Robert Collard, of Deep Creek, aged 59 years, dearly beloved husband of Fanny Elizabeth Collard.

Sorry, I didn't realise his father's name would be on the marriage index and not the death one. I guess that isn't your Robert, then, unless the father's name is wrong.

[tenterfieldjulie]

Thanks Kate. No it doesn't appear to be my Robert, as you would think that he would know his father's name on his marriage record, even if he was 50 when he married.
I found another Robert Collard who was convicted in Taunton & transported to Tasmania. He was on the 1841 Census aged 12 in Milverton and his conviction was in 1841 - I don't think it is him either, as surely he wouldn't be transported at that age. Julie

[tenterfieldjulie]

There is a death Robert Collard June Q 1864 Wellington district which includes Milverton no age. Unfortunately 1860 to 1890 is the black hole in Milverton.

[tenterfieldjulie]

Looking for a burial for William. I cannot find him in the Census after 1841.

These are Deaths for William – How do I work out the right one?
His baptism was at Milverton 1820 – last sighting 1841 Census Milverton Unmarried Ag lab.

Deaths Jun 1841 Collard William Wellington 10 328


Deaths Mar 1854 Collard William Taunton 5c 301


Deaths Mar 1858 Collard William Wellington Som 5c 315


Deaths Mar 1859 COLLARD William Wellington Som 5c 279


Deaths Dec 1898 Collard William 76 Wellington. Som. 5c 193

William Collard who was the shoemaker and married Eliza, was the son of Charles and he died at Wells. (Found him on the 1841 Census same age as mine)

[kiterunner]

FreeREG has a William Collard burial 28 May 1841 at St Andrew, Wiveliscombe, age 58. That will be the one whose death was registered Apr-Jun 1841. They also have a William Collard burial 5 Oct 1843 at the same church, age 75. Then a William Collard burial 22 Jan 1854 at Lydeard St Lawrence, age 79, who will be the one whose death was registered Jan-Mar 1854.

The National Probate Calendar has an entry for William Collard who died 25 Jan 1859 at Wiveliscombe, printer, letters of administration granted to a grandson, so that rules him out! I'm just trying a search on FreeREG for 1858 but it seems to be hanging in mid-search at the moment.

[kiterunner]

Managed to get FreeREG to do the 1858 search eventually but it didn't find him.

[tenterfieldjulie]

Thanks so much Kate for eliminating so many. So maybe the 1858 death or he migrated ..

[tenterfieldjulie]

On Freereg I found Robert Collard buried 1/8/1888 St. Mary Chilthorne Domer, living Yeovil Marsh, age 59, so birth 1829 the right year .. hmmh . wonder if I can find him on the Census.

No found him on the 1841 Census at Yeovil Marsh with father Samuel .. oh well