William Hatch MFFMFFF

[ElizabethHerts]

This one is work in progress and needs some unravelling.


Name - "official" name and what they were known as
William Hatch

Date and place of birth
I thought he would be born at Bramshaw but haven't found a baptism there yet, but there seem to be omissions from the Baptism Index produced by the Hampshire Genealogical Society.

However, William's father was from Southwick when he married and there are baptisms for children of a Wiliam Hatch there (see below).

Names of parents
William Hatch and Mary (née Budd)

Date and place of baptism
There are these two baptisms at Southwick, but no father's name given.
The 1717 one is too late but 1710 would tie in with William being marrying in 1731.

20 July 1710 William Hatch (father blank)
19 May 1717 William son of (blank) Hatch

FMP has burials for Southwick going back to 1678 and no Williams buried until the 1740s.


Details of each of his or her marriages

1. Christian Winter
July 1731 Landford, Wiltshire
William Hatch jnr


2. Dina Reed
29 May 1764 St Peter, Bramshaw
William given as widower



Children:
From his will written in 1774:

Probably the children of William and Christian:
son William
my Daughter Mary the now wife of John Stokes
my Daughter Ann the now Wife of John Lively
my Daughter Christian Andrews widow
my son John Hatch
my Son Stephen Hatch

I'm not sure if John and Stephen are Christian's children.


Children of William and Dina:
Martha baptised 2 April 1765 buried 12 February 1766 St Peter Bramshaw (not mentioned in will)
James baptised 13 December 1767 St Peter, Bramshaw
Dina baptised 15 October 1769 St Peter, Bramshaw
both mentioned in will


Occupation(s)
not known

Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK)
Bramshaw, Wiltshire

Date, place and cause of death
by deduction, end February 1778
cause unknown

Date and place of burial
2 March 1778
St Peter, Bramshaw

Details of will / administration of their estate
Ref No. P24/1123
Alt Ref No P24/1123
Title Will
Date 1778
Person Hatch, William, senior
Place Key /Bramshaw/Hampshire

Memorial inscription
not known


link to son William Hatch:
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=14168&highlight=Hatch

[kiterunner]

This may put the cat amongst the pigeons!

The Wiltshire Marriages database on ancestry gives his name as William Hatch sr on the marriage to Christian, though it doesn't have images for us to check this. But if that's correct, then the William who married Christian wouldn't be the one born in 1710, but his father!

(the Wiltshire Marriages database was not transcribed by ancestry but acquired by them and looks to be quite accurate so I would think it is probably right.)

[kiterunner]

But a lot of public trees on ancestry show William Hatch senior (i.e. the one married to Mary Budd) dying in 1754. They do have Mary dying in 1728 which would fit with William remarrying in 1731, though. Hmmm...

[ElizabethHerts]

This part of the tree has always been fraught with problems, Kate.

I have just ordered ther Hampshire Baptism Index 1660 - 1751 on CD, so I'm hoping some of my questions may be answered.

I saw the "senior" part too. I'm on an information-collecting exercise at present, so we'll see how it pans out.


I have the will of the William Hatch who died in 1754. He mentions:

my Loving Wife Sarah
my Five Children and two Grandchildren William Hatch John Hatch Mary the wife of Richard New Martha the Wife of Edward Rookes Honour the Wife of Henry Witorn and James and Ann Hatch my Grandchildren

[ElizabethHerts]

I should mention I've got a big PDF file of the Hatch family of 225 pages that goes back to Nicholas Hatch of Great Bursted, Essex born c. 1595. It will be identical to the information on one of the Ancestry trees.

It has some omissions and errors, I've found, but still very useful.

[ElizabethHerts]

The will of William Hatch of 1754:
James and Ann Hatch my Grandchildren

William Hatch son had a James and an Ann.
His brother John didn't.

So the William who died c. 1754 was the father of the William here.


Edit:
We now know that the two grandchildren were the children of William's son James who died in 1752.

[Phoenix]

When was the will of 1754 actually made? I would have expected Christian to have completed her family by 1754. No reason why all grandchildren should be mentioned but any James must have died prior to 1767.

[ElizabethHerts]

FMP has MIs for Bramshaw but no details of dates or anything.
I've contacted the Wiltshire Family History Society for more information.

Hampshire FHS also has a fiche with them - I've also contacted them.

[ElizabethHerts]

When was the will of 1754 actually made? I would have expected Christian to have completed her family by 1754. No reason why all grandchildren should be mentioned but any James must have died prior to 1767.

14th June 1754
Proved 7th December 1754

AAgh, yes the James born with mother Dina not baptised until 1767.

[ElizabethHerts]

The will of William Hatch of 1754:
James and Ann Hatch my Grandchildren

William Hatch son had a James and an Ann.
His brother John didn't.

So the William who died c. 1754 was the father of the William here.



I've found the parents of the James and Ann here.
William Hatch's widow Sarah made a will.
She was the second wife.
"Also I give unto James Hatch and Anne Hatch Son and Daughter of James Hatch deceased The Sum of one Shilling each"

She refers to her husband's children as her "sons in law" or "daughters in law".

[kiterunner]

William Hatch's widow Sarah made a will.
She was the second wife.



Do you know for sure that she was the second wife, or could she be the third? Have you got details of when she married William?

[ElizabethHerts]

Name: William Hatch
Marriage Date: 21 Dec 1733
Parish: Broad Chalke
Residence: Bramshaw
Spouse: Sarah Holliday
Spouse Residence: Out of Wiltshire
Document Type: Licence
Notes: Sarah is of Newbridge, Hampshire

from Ancestry

On the tree I was given she was the second wife.
It is possible she was wife no. 3, of course.

From her will it seems that she and William had no (surviving) children.
She names a sister, William's children, and a few other people.

[kiterunner]

I wonder if "Senior" on that marriage to Christian could be a mistranscription of "Junior". As you say, you would need to get a look at the parish registers to find out.

[ElizabethHerts]

I think I'm just going to have to be patient until I get the baptismal index and also replies to a couple of e-mails.

I might try e-mailing the Wiltshire and Swindon History Centre re. the marriage of William Hatch and Christian Winter at Landford.

[kiterunner]

Landford has an OPC:
http://www.wiltshire-opc.org.uk/genealogy/index.php/parish-directory/item/201-landford

But it looks as though you have to register with that site to be able to contact the OPC.

[ElizabethHerts]

Thanks for that, Kate.

That is very interesting as Sandy Mursell is the person who gave me the Hatch tree as a PDF file and we have already communicated! Bramshaw is also under Sandy.

[ElizabethHerts]

Wiltshire Archives certainly turn around their queries fast!
I e-mailed them 40 minutes ago.

Here is the response:

"I can confirm that William HATCH jnr of Bramshaw married Christian WINTER in July 1731 (no date given) in Landford

The cost of copying the parish entry is the total of £5.00 which is our minimum copy charge and includes postage."

I am very happy now - the transcription in Ancestry is wrong, Kate, as you suspected.

[kiterunner]

That explains it then!

[ElizabethHerts]

OOh, look what I have found:

Day: 23
Month: May
Year: 1773
Son/Daughter: Son
Forename: Stephen
Surname: Hatch
First Parent: Willm
Second Parent:
Notes: bn 5 Jul 1744
Parish: Eling
County: Hampshire
Record source: Hampshire Baptisms
Data provider: Hampshire Genealogical Society

Stephen born 1744 but baptised in 1773.
Christian was still alive in 1744.

[ElizabethHerts]

This Stephen was having children baptised at Eling.


Day: 26
Month: Apr
Year: 1778
Son/Daughter: Son
Forename: Stephen
Surname: Hatch
First Parent: Stephen
Second Parent:
Notes:
Parish: Eling
County: Hampshire
Record source: Hampshire Baptisms
Data provider: Hampshire Genealogical Society

[ElizabethHerts]

I might be getting somewhere.:)

William Hatch of Southwick married Mary Budd of West Tisted by licence on 10 October 1708 at St Maurice, Winchester:

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc78/lambelizabeth/StMauriceWinchester_zps59f54b4b.jpg (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/lambelizabeth/media/StMauriceWinchester_zps59f54b4b.jpg.html)

All those missing baptisms for William Hatch senior and Mary Budd, including this William's:

my Five Children and two Grandchildren William Hatch John Hatch Mary the wife of Richard New Martha the Wife of Edward Rookes Honour the Wife of Henry Witorn and James and Ann Hatch my Grandchildren

All at Southwick:

20 July 1710 William Hatch (father blank)
15 Aug 1711 John son of William Hatch
6 Feb 1712/13 Mary daughter of William Hatch
14 December 1714 Martha daughter of William Hatch
3 December 1715 Hannah daughter of WIlliam Hatch
19 May 1717 William son of (blank) Hatch

Honour was baptised at Bramshaw

and perhaps William who married Ursula Eldridge in 1768?

3 October 1742 William son of William Hatch at Southwick

[ElizabethHerts]

The only flaw is the two Williams, but these must be the children from William senior's will as all the names tally.

I really need to see the burials for the parish. It's annoying that the two Williams don't have fathers named.

The only other Hatches in this parish are earlier - three children for Simon Hatch in 1669, 1670 and 1672.

[ElizabethHerts]

Ooh, was William Hatch senior a butcher?

From the National Archives:

Unexecuted lease for 21 years from Richard Norton to William Hatch of Southwick, butcher, of a barn, gateroom and 40 acres called Ham in Southwick. 5M50/1841 25 June 1723

These documents are held at Hampshire Record Office

[ElizabethHerts]

And was he related to Simon Hatch??

Lease and counterpart lease for 21 years from Richard Norton to Simon Hatch of Southwick, butcher, of 40 acres of land called Hamm in Southwick. Rent of £35. 5M50/1839, 1840 20 April 1703

[kiterunner]

That's a long time after your Hatches, though, isn't it, Elizabeth? Oh, never mind, just realised there are two dates in each of those entries! Or are they just reference numbers that look like years?

[ElizabethHerts]

Sinon Hatch died in 1721, by the look of it:


RefNo Show the rest of this collection

FindingNo 1721A/054
Title Will of Simon Hatch of Southwick, Hampshire, butcher
Date 1721
AccessConditions On microfiche. Please use microfiche copy
Description Bequest of The George, Fareham

[kiterunner]

FMP has a burial for a William Hatch 16 Dec 1710 at Soberton, Hampshire. Looks near to Southwick.

[ElizabethHerts]

I'm still confused as there are three William Hatches being buried at Southwick in the 1740s.

[ElizabethHerts]

FMP has a burial for a William Hatch 16 Dec 1710 at Soberton, Hampshire. Looks near to Southwick.

We crossed, Kate.
I'm going to have to get the will of Simon Hatch, there is no avoiding it.

[ElizabethHerts]

I think tomorrow I shall start a new thread for William Hatch and Mary Budd, or I shall get even more confused.

[kiterunner]

Good idea.