Year of birth?

[ElizabethHerts]

Now Ancestry has the records for Birmingham including images, I'm looking for OH's Charles Lamb's family before they moved to Whitby.

This is the baptism of the eldest child, Charles Frederick, on 26th October 1818.

Could you please look at his birth date and give me your opinions as to the year?

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[Shona]

10 Oct 1812?

[ElizabethHerts]

Thanks, Shona.

That's what the IGI have, but Ancestry have put 1817, which is more likely as the parents didn't marry until 1816 and they were both minors then.

[Shona]

I did consider 1817, too, but there was no down stroke on the 7.

[ElizabethHerts]

From the evidence of the burial I've just found it must be 1817, which is a relief.

[ElizabethHerts]

Very confused now.;(


Burial for Charles Lamb, son of Charles and Sarah:


Name: Charles Lamb
Birth Year: abt 1817
Burial Date: 10 Mar 1818
Burial Place: Birmingham, St Mary, Warwickshire, England
Burial Age: 10/12
Father: Charles Lamb
Mother: Sarah Lamb

So he would have been born about late April/early May 1817.

But this baptism has a Charles Frederick born in 1817 and not baptised until 1818, after the burial of the Charles Lamb above:

Name: Charles Frederick Lamb
Birth Date: 10 Oct 1817
Baptism Date: 26 Oct 1818
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Philip, Warwickshire, England
Father: Charles Lamb
Mother: Sarah Lamb
Reference Number: DRO 25/12
Archive Roll: M38

[Merry]

lol

If the one who was baptised 26th Oct 1818 was born 10th Oct the same year instead of 1817 or 1812 would that work?

It's like a chap I have on my tree who seems to have died and been buried a couple of months after his will was proved!

[kiterunner]

All I can think of at the moment is that Charles Frederick Lamb's date of birth is supposed to be 10 Oct 1818. (Edit - snap, Merry!)

[ElizabethHerts]

lol

If the one who was baptised 26th Oct 1818 was born 10th Oct the same year instead of 1817 or 1812 would that work?

It's like a chap I have on my tree who seems to have died and been buried a couple of months after his will was proved!

That means we have a Charles Frederick Lamb who survives to go to Whitby (no more burials in Birmingham and they were in Whitby by August 1823) but I have no record of him.

[ElizabethHerts]

OK, I'm trying to be logical with a sore throat and thick head cold:

Charles Lamb and Sarah Chambers marry 11 March 1816 at St. John the Baptist, Halesowen, Worcestershire.

Charles Lamb born 10 months before his burial date of 10 March 1818 (i.e. April/May 1817). Where is his baptism?

Different one now -
Charles Frederick Lamb
born 10 October 1818 and therefore the PR is incorrect!
So Charles Frederick Lamb didn't die - so what happened to him?

[Merry]

Also if Charles and Sarah didn't get their first son baptised in nearly a year that might explain them having the second son baptised after just a couple of weeks.

Did they name any other children Charles? :rolleyes:

[kiterunner]

Wait, what if he really was born in 1812, and they called him Frederick, but after his brother Charles died, they decided to add a Charles at the beginning of his name and got him baptised?
(Edit - oh, except the mother is too young for him to be born then, isn't she?)

[ElizabethHerts]

Did they name any other children Charles? :rolleyes:

Thankfully no, Merry.
Horatio 1820 Birmingham
In Whitby:
James
Emma Louisa
Mary
Sarah Susanna
William Henry
Adam Horatio Theophilus :D
Edward Edwards

[ElizabethHerts]

They were both c. 21 when they were married so earlier children possible. They would be 17 in 1812.

Charles was born in Huntingdon and became a gunsmith (which was the occupation of his father-in-law Joseph Chambers). I'd love to find his apprenticeship papers, and that would also give us a location for where he was living.

The Halesowen marriage always puzzles me too. Was he working there?

[kiterunner]

If it were a little parish, I would say the year was probably wrong on either the baptism or the burial, but I don't think that's possible in this case.