Thomas Wolstencroft Rathbone

[Muggins in Sussex]

My GGF by "adoption".

Name
Thomas Wolstencroft Rathbone
Date and place of birth
c.1819, Runcorn
Names of parents
Thomas Rathbone and Mary Wolstencroft
Date and place of baptism
Not known
Details of each of his or marriages
1856 married Elizabeth Pasley, bonnet-maker
Occupation(s)
Bootmaker, Shoemaker, Cordwainer
Military service
Not known
Addresses where they lived
Brook Lane, Sheffield and 107 Walkely Street, Sheffield
Date, place and cause of death
1901, Sheffield
Date and place of burial / cremation.
General Cemetery, Sheffield in family grave with his wife and grandson
Details of will / administration of their estate
Not kown
Memorial inscription
"Thomas Rathbone died June 4th 1901, 83 years
Elizabeth Rathbone, wife of the above, died Dec 11th 1903, 66 years"

[Merry]

Is that his second marriage in 1856? He seems to already be married to an Elizabeth in 1851.

[Muggins in Sussex]

I'm not sure, Merry :confused: - A contact who has a copy of his merriage cert to Elizabeth in 1856 told me that it was his third marriage! His first was to an Esther Dean, she is not certain of the second, but it was presumably to another Elizabeth :confused:

[Merry]

Yes, I should have said 'not first' rather than second!

[Merry]

Hmmm, if he was b about 1819 then it would be most llikely all his marriages took place after 1837 (not 100%, but most likely). I can't see one to Esther Dean nor a likely looking marriage for the other Elizabeth (she was only 21 in 1851), nor a likely looking death for the other Elizabeth, so it's all a bit of a mystery.

I wonder where your contact found evidence of the first marriage?

[Merry]

There's a Thomas and Esther Rathbone in Leeds in 1841 both aged 20, he is a shoemaker, both say born in county, but that could be a mistake, and a death for Esther in Leeds in 1849 (I think it was), which doesn't give him a great deal of time to marry Elizabeth and move to Sheffield before the 1851 census.

[Margaret in Burton]

If you look at that 1851 census there are two Rathbone children. One born in Leeds the other in Sheffield.

[Merry]

This is complicated (there's a surprise! :rolleyes:)

In 1851 with Thomas and Elizabeth is Elizabeth Rathbone aged 7 and born Leeds but there is only a registration for a Sarah Jane Rathbone in Leeds. I presume this is Esther's child. There's also a Sarah Ann Rathbone listed, whose age I can't determine but looks as if it may be measured in months (possibly one month) and who doesn't seem to be registered as a Rathbone (maybe because this Elizabeth and Thomas were not legally married?). As they are all lodgers, I can't say these two are 100% connected to Thomas and Elizabeth, but would imagine they are.

[Merry]

If you look at that 1851 census there are two Rathbone children. One born in Leeds the other in Sheffield.

I'm on the lap top and still in bed! lol I was finding it difficult to scroll down :d

[Margaret in Burton]

Ancestry has a marriage for a Thomas Rathbone in Dec qtr 1856. it says the district is illegible.

Well I can read it. It's Sheffield 9c 334.

Checking the other marriages for that it comes up with Elizabeth Pasley

[Merry]

I think that's the third marriage. I can't see anything for the second one (or the first one! lol). First should be before 1841 to Esther and the second after 1849 Q3 and before the 1851 census, to the other Elizabeth.

[Margaret in Burton]

Not sure about that Merry. 1891 census (haven't found him yet in 61, 71 and 81) has an Elizabeth as wife but the age and place of birth is different to the Elizabeth in 1851.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=6598&iid=WRYRG12_3795_3797-0750&fn=Thos&ln=Rathbone&st=d&ssrc=&pid=5266242

That Elizabeth was born c1837 in Retford, Notts

[Merry]

Yes, so the 1851 wife is Elizabeth X and the one after 1856 is Elizabeth Pasley?

[Muggins in Sussex]

Thanks M & M :d

What you are saying seems to fit in with what my contact said...

She said that in 1846 in Leeds, Thomas W and registered a baby named Thomas and his wife was Esther His occupation was given as a shoemaker.

Esther died in 1849 in the 3rd quarter. She thought his second wife was another Elizabeth who died in Sheffield in 1857, after Thomas's marriage to Elizabeth Pasley - :confused:

[Merry]

after Thomas's marriage to Elizabeth Pasley

*highly shocked emoticon* :d

[Margaret in Burton]

Where the heck is Thomas on the other census? Anyone found him?

I couldn't leave it like that Joan. I'd want to know all of his wives names and get all the certs.

[Merry]

1881:

Thomas RATHBONE Head M 63 Boot Maker
Elizabeth RATHBONE Wife M 44 Wareham, Cheshire, England Bonnet Maker (Milliner)
Maude RATHBONE Daur 11 Retford, Nottingham, England Scholar
Frank RATHBONE Son 9 Sheffield, York, England Scholar
Ettie RATHBONE Daur 7 Sheffield, York, England Scholar
Winifred RATHBONE Daur 5 Sheffield, York, England Scholar
John RATHBONE Son 2 Sheffield, York, England
Lucy RATHBONE Daur 9 m Sheffield, York, England

I thought I'd seen him in 1861.....

[Margaret in Burton]

I've found them in 1861

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=WRYRG9_3484_3487-0232&fn=Thomas&ln=Rathbone&st=r&ssrc=&pid=11544343

[Merry]

1861: RG9; Piece: 3485; Folio: 111; Page: 26

[Margaret in Burton]

1881:

Thomas RATHBONE Head M 63 Boot Maker
Elizabeth RATHBONE Wife M 44 Wareham, Cheshire, England Bonnet Maker (Milliner)
Maude RATHBONE Daur 11 Retford, Nottingham, England Scholar
Frank RATHBONE Son 9 Sheffield, York, England Scholar
Ettie RATHBONE Daur 7 Sheffield, York, England Scholar
Winifred RATHBONE Daur 5 Sheffield, York, England Scholar
John RATHBONE Son 2 Sheffield, York, England
Lucy RATHBONE Daur 9 m Sheffield, York, England

I thought I'd seen him in 1861.....


Think those places of birth are on the wrong line. 1861 has Thomas as Wareham and Elizabeth as Retford

[Margaret in Burton]

1871 is proving a problem

[Muggins in Sussex]

1881:

Thomas RATHBONE Head M 63 Boot Maker
Elizabeth RATHBONE Wife M 44 Wareham, Cheshire, England Bonnet Maker (Milliner)
Maude RATHBONE Daur 11 Retford, Nottingham, England Scholar
Frank RATHBONE Son 9 Sheffield, York, England Scholar
Ettie RATHBONE Daur 7 Sheffield, York, England Scholar
Winifred RATHBONE Daur 5 Sheffield, York, England Scholar
John RATHBONE Son 2 Sheffield, York, England
Lucy RATHBONE Daur 9 m Sheffield, York, England

I thought I'd seen him in 1861.....

That is them :) Winifred (Beatrice Winifred) is the lady I believed was my grandmother!

[Muggins in Sussex]

I don't have Ancestry any more, but found this note on my PC!

1871 121 Hoole St, (Nether) Hallam St Mary, Sheffield
Thomas RATHBONE Head 53 1818 Wadham/Waram, Cheshire Bootmaker
Elizabeth RATHBONE Wife 34 1 836 Sheffield Bonnet maker
Thomas H RATHBONE Son 12 1859 Sheffield
Joseph RATHBONE Son 9 1861 Sheffield
Sarah Jane RATHBONE Daur 7 1864 Sheffield
Ruth Annie RATHBONE Daur 4 1867 Sheffield
Maria Mary RATHBONE Daur 1 1870 Sheffield

I don't seem to have a note of the reference!:eek:

[Margaret in Burton]

1871

RG10; Piece: 4664; Folio: 33; Page: 5

Ancestry have them transcribed as Rathbon

[Margaret in Burton]

Joan

Do you want me to send you the census images?

[Muggins in Sussex]

Ooooh yes please- that would be lovely, Margaret - thank you :)

[Margaret in Burton]

oki doki, will sort it for you

[Margaret in Burton]

sent Joan

[Muggins in Sussex]

Thank you Margaret :):):):)

[kiterunner]

I had a quick look at the National Probate Calendar, but didn't see an entry for him.