Trying to locate a death and 3 children - Adams Family

[BlueSavannah]

Hi All,

The new non-conformist records on Ancestry have set off my interest in my Adams family again and I am trying to locate the death of the mother and three of her children.

The mother is Elizabeth Adams nee Cole. She married David Adams at Gretna Green on the 21st September 1820. She was a non-conformist.

Their first child was Jane Adams who was born in 1821 and baptised at the Anglican All Saints Church, Newcastle upon Tyne.

The couple then baptised their next 4 children non-conformists: David 1823, Daniel 1825, Enoch 1829 & Amos 1832.

Their last child was Nathan who was born in West Bromwich in 1834. He was baptised in an Anglican Church.

David Adams marries again in 1840. I am trying to locate the death of Elizabeth from between 1834 and 1840. I am also trying to locate possible deaths for Enoch & Amos as they do not appear on any census records.

Nathan Adams appears on the 41 census aged 6 with his father and stepmother. After this, I have found no further record of him.

Would anyone be able to try and help at all locate Elizabeth's death, and probable deaths of Amos & Enoch? Also, anything on Nathan would be great :)

Many thanks in advance
Claire

[kiterunner]

Where did David sr marry in 1840, and where is he living in 1841? Also, where were Amos and Enoch baptised, and does it show the family's residence on their baptisms?

[BlueSavannah]

This family were all over the place :rolleyes:

Jane was born in Newcastle, then David 1823 in Bradford, Daniel 1825 in Manchester, Enoch 1829 in Atwick near Hull, and then Enoch 1832 and Nathan 1834 both in West Bromwich.

I am intrigued to why they baptised Enoch at the Wesleyan church in West Bromwich and then baptised Nathan in the Anglican church in West Bromwich.

David Senior married Frances Stevenson in 1840 at St Peter's, Liverpool. David, Frances and four of his children; David, Daniel, Jane & Nathan were all living at Bartons Lane, West Derby, Lancashire in 1841.

[kiterunner]

So Elizabeth could have died in West Bromwich or Liverpool or somewhere else?

[BlueSavannah]

Very possible Kite and that's why I am thinking I might never find her :(

I did wonder if West Bromwich was the most likely as it was the only place they baptised 2 children and wondered if maybe David left West Brom after the death of Elizabeth.

[Phoenix]

You don't say what David did for a living.

[BlueSavannah]

So sorry, I forgot the put that Phoenix.

David Senior was a Shoemaker :)

[kiterunner]

There is an Enoch Adams buried Darlaston, Staffordshire in 1832, age 4.

[kiterunner]

And a Nathan Adams buried 1848 Chester, age 13. (These are from FMP)

[BlueSavannah]

Thanks for those Kite.

Both are possibles, I wonder if Enoch was born in 1828 and baptised 1829 which would then fit with the Darlaston burial. The Chester one looks promising even though I can't prove the family were ever there. But they went all over the place. David senior was still in Liverpool in 1851 and then in London in 1861.

[garstonite]

www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb
database
burial
7th august 1848 at St John The Baptist ,Chester
Nathan Adams aged 13 of Foregate Street ,Chester
No father mentioned

[BlueSavannah]

Many thanks Allan for the extra info. Such a shame it doesn't state who his father was.

[garstonite]

Many thanks Allan for the extra info. Such a shame it doesn't state who his father was.

I am not being a pessimist - but I don`t think David would be in Liverpool in 1841 and 1851 census - and have a son die in Chester in august 1848 ??...
of course it is possible ...but doesn`t look likely to me

[BlueSavannah]

I think you are probably right Allan. I know Chester isn't a million miles away from Liverpool but far enough for it to look unlikely.

[Merry]

You need to see if there's another Nathan on the 1841 census then.

[kiterunner]

I had a quick look last night and didn't see one.

[BlueSavannah]

I will try again to locate any other Nathan's :)

[garstonite]

31st march 1901 census Nathan Adams in St Pancras ..states b 1835 in Pimlico ...so he must be somewhere in 1841 census ?...don`t get him mixed up with your Nathan ..lol

[Merry]

lol!! Nathan's his middle name I think!! (William Nathan Adams d later in 1901 St Pancras)

[Merry]

I couldn't see a separate Nathan to fit the death either.

Just because Nathan died in Chester doesn't mean the whole family were there.

[BlueSavannah]

I really appreciate you all having a look.

It wouldn't shock me at all if the family did go to Chester and then back to Liverpool. They never seemed to have settled anywhere from the places of births of all the children.

Just a quick question, if a child/parent was baptised non-conformist, would their burials take place in an Anglican churchyard or were there seperate burial grounds for them?

[Merry]

Quite possibly, but then again not always! lol

[Phoenix]

There were some separate burial grounds. Records don't always survive. But not every chapel would have enough land for a burial ground. And while you can defer a baptism till you find a minister you approve of, a body has to be disposed of fairly promptly.

I have some people whose only record is their burial.

[BlueSavannah]

Thank you :)

[garstonite]

dont we have any members who live in Chester who could have a look at St John the Baptist churchyard for Nathan Adams ??
that`s if St John the Baptist is still there ?
added
http://www.chesterwalls.info/stjohn.html

what a beautiful church

[BlueSavannah]

If I didn't have two small babies, I would have taken a drive there to have a look myself (Chester is about an hour from where I am). Maybe one for me to consider when they are a little older :)

[BlueSavannah]

Hmmm, there is a burial on Ancestry of an Emos Adams aged 7 on the 29th May 1839 at St Mary Cemetery, Liverpool. He is Emos on the death index. The age does tie in with my Amos being born in 1832. Would it be possible for an error in a name on both death cert and burial record?

[kiterunner]

Yes, it could well be.

[BlueSavannah]

Such a shame the image doesnt say who his father was.

[kiterunner]

The address on the burial is Burlington Street. I don't suppose David gives that as his address on his marriage in 1840?

[BlueSavannah]

No he didn't, he gave Vauxhall Road on the marriage :(