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zoenel
10-07-13, 11:42
Hi everyone , I hope everyone is well? I apoligize for having to come back on your excellent site for help again after all the fantastic work youve done before,however my local libaray has been shut down due to the cuts.

ive recently made contact with my gre gre uncle James Hairyes family and id llike you to help me find some information please. ?I would like a copy of the orignal 1881 cencus with james on and his brothers and sisters and parents please also James army record please. James was born December 1878 New Wortley, Leeds died 1916 in Halifax,yorkshire, James father was William Hairyes 1831/1890 James mother was Eliabeth hogg 1841/1882 .his adress was 5 7th avenue New Wortley in 1881. his wife was Ellen Hairyes married dec 1904.James fourgt in India for the british army,any help would be gratefully recived kind regrds Zoe Hairyes
kiterunner
10-07-13, 13:43
This link should take you to the transcription of the 1881 census entry on FamilySearch (surname is transcribed as Hairges) and it has a link through to the image on Findmypast but you would have to buy credits on FMP to view the image if you haven't got any credits left:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQFH-546
kiterunner
10-07-13, 13:54
I can't find any trace of his army record at the moment but I'm not sure whether we should be looking for it on ancestry or Findmypast, as ancestry has the WW1 records and FMP the pre-WW1s. Do you know the dates of when he served, Zoe, and anything else such as his rank, regimental number, medals he received, etc?
zoenel
10-07-13, 14:09
I can't find any trace of his army record at the moment but I'm not sure whether we should be looking for it on ancestry or Findmypast, as ancestry has the WW1 records and FMP the pre-WW1s. Do you know the dates of when he served, Zoe, and anything else such as his rank, regimental number, medals he received, etc?

Hi I just know it was ancestry library in army records section with 1st name J hairyes with his age and regiment,im sorry I dont know anymore,kind regrds Zoe
kiterunner
10-07-13, 14:18
Okay, found the entry. For some reason it doesn't come up on a global search of ancestry (Oh, but it doesn't show his age so maybe not the right record?).

UK Military Campaign Medal and Award Rolls 1793-1949
Regimental Number 4882, rank Private, name HAIRYES J, King's Own Scottish Borderers,
whether already in possession of India Medal 1895 - no, entitled to medal - yes
Entitled to clasps: Punjab Frontier 1897-1898 yes, Malakand 1897 - no, Samana 1897 - no, Tirah 1897-8 - yes
kiterunner
10-07-13, 14:29
Ah, looking at the army service records on findmypast, no 4882 in the King's Own Scottish Borderers was George Hairyes who was aged 19 in 1894. So the initial J on the medal roll must be a mistake.
kiterunner
10-07-13, 14:34
There is a James Hairyes on the 1911 census who is a visitor in Rochdale, Lancashire, age 35, married, born Leeds, occupation cattle drover. His wife isn't with him, so I think it is probably the right James although the age is a bit out, because your James's wife doesn't have her husband with her on the 1911 census.
zoenel
10-07-13, 14:36
yes that is the right record thankyou very much for all our help in fnding it,you have done a great work there james and george were brothers with only a couple of years between them and they both served in the india campaign, thats brilliant research,thankyou very much I can pass this on now to James family .many thanks
kiterunner
10-07-13, 14:56
Are you sure that James served in India, Zoe? The way I see it is that only George served and they have put the initial J on the medal roll instead of G. They wouldn't both have the same regimental number if they were both in the army.
Shona
10-07-13, 15:31
Looking at George's military records on FMP, two sisters are named as Next of Kin - one of them, Annie Hairyes, address was in Wortley. The other sister was Emily, living in Leeds.
Merry
10-07-13, 15:54
Looking at George's military records on FMP, two sisters are named as Next of Kin - one of them, Annie Hairyes, address was in Wortley. The other sister was Emily, living in Leeds.

There's more info on those sisters here (and onward from this post!)

http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/Forum/showpost.php?p=171567&postcount=6
zoenel
10-07-13, 15:58
There's more info on those sisters here (and onward from this post!)

http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/Forum/showpost.php?p=171567&postcount=6


thankyou very much for all your informative help,have a great weekend, kind regards Zoe
Merry
10-07-13, 16:01
Zoe, how do you know James served in India?
Merry
10-07-13, 16:34
In 1881 James is with his parents in Wortley, Yorkshire.

In 1891 he is in the household of his brother-in-law Stephen Lawrence in Wortley. Occ scholar.

In 1901 he is a boarder in the household of the Beaumont family in Wortley. Occ bricklayers labourer.

Kate has already recorded the 1911 census entry above.
Shona
11-07-13, 08:07
This is George returning to the UK in 1906. He is recorded as a private in the army, embarked on the Arabia in Aden (sailing from Bombay to London) and disembarked in Plymouth.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1518/30807_A000273-00034/15162739?backurl=http%253a%252f%252fsearch.ancestr y.co.uk%252fcgi-bin%252fsse.dll%253findiv%253d1%2526db%253dbt26%25 26rank%253d1%2526new%253d1%2526MSAV%253d1%2526msT% 253d1%2526gss%253dangs-d%2526gsfn_x%253dNN%2526gsln%253dHairyes%2526gsln_ x%253dNN%2526cpxt%253d1%2526catBucket%253drstp%252 6uidh%253dfpy%2526cp%253d11%2526pcat%253d40%2526fh %253d1%2526h%253d15162739%2526recoff%253d&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord

Can't find any evidence to suggest that James also served. Poss a family story mix up?