John Ryan - some questions

[Shona]

John Ryan was born in Tipperary parish, Co Tipperary, in the first quarter of 1847 (estimated from military records).

He served in the Army from 1865 until 1887. In 1873, John married Sarah Hand (often mistranscribed) in Newry. She was born in Co Down.

I've identified the following births for the couple:

1874 - John Patrick (Alderney)
1875 - Bridget (Jersey)
1876 - Catherine (Newry, Ireland)
1878 - Mary 1 (Sheerness)
Jan 1880 - James (Sheerness)
Dec 1880 - Michael (Dover Castle)
1884 - Cornelius (Steyning, Shoreham)
1885 - Mary 2 (Steyning, Shoreham)

In 1911 (family living in Belfast), John and Sarah say they have had 11 children of which six are living.

Mary 1 died at the age of 7 in 1883 and James died in Belfast in 1899.

I'm missing three children - can anyone find them?

1899 is the first sighting of John Ryan in Belfast. I haven't been able to find him in the period 1887-1899 - he gave Newry as his intended abode when he was discharged.

John Ryan was in Belfast when the 1901 and 1911 censuses were carried out and I can trace him in Belfast Street Directories until 1913.

In 1918, he was at 2 Balmoral Terrace, Whiteabbey, Antrim.

His family say that he died in 1931 at the age of 82.

However, I can't find the record of his death. Would appreciate it if others could have a look, as I'd like to get the cert.

Link to the Hand family:
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=16695&highlight=catherine+ryan

Link to Catherine Ryan:
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=15885&highlight=catherine+ryan

[kiterunner]

Where are you looking for John Ryan's death registration, Shona? If he died in County Antrim in 1931 then as far as I know, there is no way to search for his death registration online as the online indexes only cover Northern Ireland up to 1922.

[Phoenix]

The obvious gap is between 1880 and 1884.

There's a book called the Forlorn Hope and probably online sources by now which tell you where regiments were and could help you potentially mop up some infant deaths.

[Shona]

I was looking at the Ulster Historical Foundation's website, which does seem to have records post-1922.

[kiterunner]

As far as I can make out, their death records are burial and funeral records, not the death registrations.

[Shona]

Ah - that explains it. As I've got his address and a year for his death, do you reckon I could order the cert based just on those details?

[kiterunner]

I think so, if year will do where they say "date of death" . Information on how to order is on here:
http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/order-a-death-certificate