Any thoughts welcome

[Asa]

I think I've found some new ancestors - George Jenkins and Eleanor Hughes who married in 1772 St Giles Cripplegate. They were both of the parish and both widowed, witnesses John Creek and Letitia Creek.

I think that Eleanor was the widow of Edward Hughes a porter buried 1769 aged 37 at St Bride Fleet Street (where the eldest two Jenkins children were baptised) and that there had been two children of that marriage, John 1766 Cripplegate and Elizabeth 1769 St Bride. A John Hughes witnesses the marriage of a Jenkins daughter.

Eleanor was living in St Luke's in 1796 when her sailor son George Jenkins made his will, presumably a widow? And she's possibly the Eleanor Jenkins buried at Bunhill Fields in 1816 aged 73 and of Curtain Road.

I can't pinpoint Eleanor's husband George Jenkins' burial but what I'm really after is her first marriage to Edward Hughes using FS, FMP and Ancestry.

It's only a thought but do this lot sound a bit Welsh?

[kiterunner]

There is a marriage between an Edward Hughes and Elinor Roberts 22 May 1768 at Llansilin, Denbighshire, Wales. Indexed on FamilySearch and the image is available to view on FMP.

[Phoenix]

I have an Edward Hughes living in London b circa 1758. And his family links to a Llewellyn family. The marriages are very tribal and I have a sense of the Welsh seeking each other out, if they don't already have strong business links with each other.

[Asa]

Phoenix, my Huguenot ancestors almost always married into other refugee families as well.

Thanks Kiterunner - I'll look at that - there's also an Edward Hughes & Ellin Evans marrying in Flintshire in 1764. I still, against the weight of evidence, usually look for a marriage before the first baptism

[Asa]

Ah both those Welsh marriages have the bride making her mark. When she marries in 1772, Eleanor signs her name

[kiterunner]

Eleanor was living in St Luke's in 1796 when her sailor son George Jenkins made his will, presumably a widow?

It says she is a widow in the probate info of 1798.

[Asa]

Thanks, I missed that.

[Olde Crone]

Don't be too swayed by the literacy/illiteracy thing. Many people could sign their name, but if told to make their mark, did just that.

OC

[Asa]

I hadn't thought of that - plus it is a very shaky hand on the 1772 marriage

[kiterunner]

Ancestry has a marriage bond for Edward Hughes and Eleanor Thomas 11 Apr 1766 Christchurch, London:
ancestry (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=SurreyMarriage%2c&rank=0&=%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c% 2c%2c%2c&gsfn=edw*&gsln=hug*&sx=&gs1co=1%2cAll+Countries&gs1pl=1%2c+&year=&yearend=&sbo=0&sbor=&ufr=0&wp=4%3b_80000002%3b_80000003&srchb=r&prox=1&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=34&fh=25&h=287537&recoff=4+5&fsk=CIAACAgABVWV&bsk=&pgoff=)
Edward of the parish of Christ Church, London, bachelor, occupation servant, and Eleanor Thomas spinster.
More likely than the Welsh marriages, don't you think? And servant fits with porter more or less.

[tenterfieldjulie]

Was it common for someone to object when banns were read?

[Merry]

Was it common for someone to object when banns were read?

M 4xg-grandfather objected twice to the marriage of his daughter when she was underage and the vicar made a note in the banns register each time. Eventually the daughter married the same man when she became "of age"! Her father then cut her out of his will unless she "lived apart from her current husband" who dad refused to even mention by name! This bunch are some of my favourite ancestors! lol

[Shona]

Going back to the names - they do sound Welsh. On the other hand, the OH has Hughes and Morgan branches...both Irish.

[kiterunner]

If that marriage I found is the right one then Eleanor's maiden name was Thomas, which also looks Welsh.

[Asa]

Thanks you everyone - Kate, that fits perfectly - I'm sure you know Christ Church Greyfriars' PRs no longer exist for this period and it's too early for Pallot's. It's sad to think how many baptisms and marriages I might have lost there...

I'm not going to jump to conclusions but there's a quite nicely matching baptism in Bermondsey....

[Asa]

....which isn't her

[Simblist]

"And she's possibly the Eleanor Jenkins buried at Bunhill Fields in 1816 aged 73 and of Curtain Road."
Hi! Just in case you see this, I think that may be the Eleanor Jenkins of Susanna Place Curtain Road Shoreditch spinster mentioned on page 2 of the will of Joseph Boden, of West Ham, proved at the PCC in October 1811.
The will also mentions Joseph's common-law wife, Margaret Jenkins. She was born c1746, so I assume they are sisters.

[Asa]

Thank you for this Simblist and apologies I haven't seen your reply before. Good to be able to eliminate this burial - there are a few options - so it's appreciated.

"And she's possibly the Eleanor Jenkins buried at Bunhill Fields in 1816 aged 73 and of Curtain Road."
Hi! Just in case you see this, I think that may be the Eleanor Jenkins of Susanna Place Curtain Road Shoreditch spinster mentioned on page 2 of the will of Joseph Boden, of West Ham, proved at the PCC in October 1811.
The will also mentions Joseph's common-law wife, Margaret Jenkins. She was born c1746, so I assume they are sisters.