OH's maternal side.

[Zoemcdougall]

I am looking for help on researching my husbands maternal side of the family, He never knew them so knows very little about them except from me looking for info,

This what I have so far

Grandparents of my OH Winifred Melia married Joseph Tatlock they had 3 children all still alive I think, one definitely is.

Winifred was born in the US had 3 siblings Louis Harold & Veronica. Parents Hannah Naylor & Thomas Melia.

Their mother Hannah died in the flu epidemic, The children were in a home. Louis only lived for a week. Their father thomas remarries a Rose Colprit.

Veronica & Winifred came to the Uk in the Andania. They were adopted by their uncle George Naylor. I am looking for the parents of both Hannah & Thomas.

My Sister in law seems to think that there is an Irish connection. Kate has found a marriage for Thomas & Hannah for me, and the birth & death record for Louis

Thankyou Kate.

[Zoemcdougall]

On an Ancestry tree it has Louis Naylor as the father of Hannah?

[kiterunner]

It looks very likely, especially given the name of Thomas and Hannah's son who died as a baby (Louis), but you need something to prove for definite that it is the same Hannah. Her marriage certificate should do it, but maybe we can find something else while you're waiting for the cert.

By the way, this is the probate info for Winifred's uncle George:
National Probate Calendar 1953
NAYLOR George of 14 Vaughan-street Nelson Lancashire died 22 December 1953 at The General Hospital Burnley Probate London 9 January to Winifred Tatlock (wife of Joseph Tatlock) and Veronica Gray (wife of William Gray) (the younger). Effects £150.

The death index shows his age at death as 79.

[kiterunner]

Ah, this might help - 1910 US census entry for 857 First St., New Bedford, Massachusetts:
Singleton Henry Head 32 M 9 yrs born England immigrated 1902 Third Hand, Cotton Mill
Agnes Ann Wife 29 M 9 yrs 3 children 2 living born England immigrated 1903
Beatrice Daughter 9 born England
Lillian Daughter 5 born Massachusetts
Mellia Thom M Brother-in-law 28 M 1 yr born England immigrated 1909 Spinner, Cotton Mill

(I didn't track them down myself, just clicked on the link in that ancestry tree!)

Agnes Naylor married Henry Singleton in 1900 but again it is Preston Register Office or Registrar Attended, so there is no image of the marriage cert online.

So it looks as though that ancestry tree is right. I think you will still need Thomas and Hannah's marriage cert to get details of Thomas's father, though.

[kiterunner]

Lancashire BMD has a birth for a Mary O'Melia in 1909, North Preston sub-district, mother's maiden name Naylor. Birth reg is Jul-Sep 1909 on the GRO index (FreeBMD). I can't see an obvious death for her between then and 1910; I wonder whether she went to the US? (Assuming she does belong to the same family, of course!)

The date of the 1910 US census was 15 Apr 1910, according to Wikipedia, and Louis Melia was born 19 Sep 1910 in Massachusetts, so it looks likely that Hannah arrived in the US between April and Sep 1910 since she is not with her sister's family and Thomas on the 1910 census.

[kiterunner]

I found these people on the passenger lists leaving the UK - 5 Jul 1910 on the Saxonia sailing from Liverpool to Boston:
Annie Melia Hwfe (= housewife) age 26, single or travelling without husband
Mary Melia Infant (under 1 year old)
Both English. Looks likely to be Hannah, don't you think? I'll see if I can find them arriving in the US. The link to the passenger list for them leaving the UK is below.

Ancestry passenger list (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2997/40610_B000661-00459/42596870?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3frank%3d0%26gsfn%3d%26gsln%3d*mel*a %26sx%3d%26f19%3dFemale%26rg_81004011__date%3d%26r s_81004011__date%3d0%26f7%3d%26f8%3d%26rg_f9__date %3d1910%26rs_f9__date%3d0%26f11%3d%26f12%3d%26f16% 3d%26f17%3d%26f18%3d%26f13%3d%26f14%3d%26f15%3d%26 f21%3d%26f22%3d%26gskw%3d%26prox%3d1%26db%3dukoutw ardpassengerlists%26ti%3d5538%26ti.si%3d0%26gss%3d angs-d%26gl%3d%26gst%3d%26hc%3d10%26fh%3d10%26fsk%3dCIA AC7UA4AVx&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

[kiterunner]

This is the link to the arrival passenger list but you would need ancestry US or world access or pay-as-you-go credits to view it:
Boston US arrivals passenger list (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8745/MAT843_151-0968/1521961?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dbostonpl%252c%26rank%3d0%26gs fn%3d%26gsln%3d*mel*ia%26sx%3d%26rb__81004201-date%3d1910%26re__81004201-date%3d1910%26rg_83004201__int%3d%26rs_83004201__i nt%3d0%26_82004210%3d%26_82004200%3d%26_82004280%3 d%26_F0002841%3d%26gskw%3d%26sbo%3d1%26sbor%3d%26p rox%3d1%26ti%3d5538%26ti.si%3d0%26gss%3dangs-d%26gl%3d%26gst%3d%26hc%3d10%26fh%3d10%26fsk%3dCIA AIikANvoI&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)


Saxonia arriving Boston, sailing from Liverpool 6 Jul 1910
Melia Anne age 26, female, married, Hwife, able to read and write, nationality English, last reisdence Preston, address of relative in England - father Lewis Naylor, 61 Cemetery Rd, Preston. Final destination New Bedford, Massachusetts.
Mary infant age 10 months, same as for Anne but unable to read and write, relative's address is grandfather.

Well, I think that settles it!
I wonder what happened to Mary?

[kiterunner]

Oh dear, FamilySearch has the death certificate for Mary Melia 10 Aug 1910 New Bedford, Massachusetts, age 0, date of birth 1 Sep 1909, born England, parents Thomas Melia and Ann Naylor, both born England.
Death cert (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N48C-67N)
Cause of death Anterior Poleomyelitis, secondary cause Gastro enteritis. Buried 12 Aug 1910 New Bedford.

[tenterfieldjulie]

Wow Kate you have been busy. Excellent work. Julie
Very sad about the little one and polio.. what a tragedy.

[Zoemcdougall]

Thankyou so much Kate, Agnes was the sister of Hannah is that right,
Mary was the Daughter of Thomas & Hannah, is that right or am I getting confused.

[kiterunner]

Yes, that's right, Zoe. Hannah is down as Annie or Ann on some records.

[Zoemcdougall]

Thankyou Kate, hopefully I have got this right too.
Hannah & Thomas had children Louis, Mary, Winifred Harold & Veronica. ? or am i getting Confused as usual.

[kiterunner]

Yes, that's right, although Mary was actually the first one and Louis the second one.

[Zoemcdougall]

Thankyou Kate, I found a record for a Thomas O.Melia born 1853 ireland, could this be the father of Thomas,

[kiterunner]

There are quite a lot of people of that name, Zoe. We don't know what Thomas's father's name was yet, do we? Where did you find the record?

[Zoemcdougall]

Ancestry, I was trying to log back in to get ref number but keep losing internet Connection as I am doing this on my phone. OH using the computer ;-) will try to get the ref no.

[kiterunner]

There is a Thomas Melia on the UK Outward Passenger Lists (on ancestry) leaving Liverpool for Boston 1 Mar 1910 on the Ivernia, age 28, a spinner. Then on the Boston arrivals he is shown as Thomas Melia, 28, married, a spinner, able to read and write, nationality English, last place of residence Preston, relative in England Hannah Melia, wife, 143 Sheffington Rd, Preston, final destination New Bedford, Mass.
I was hoping the passenger list might have his father's name but no luck there.

[Zoemcdougall]

This was the ref I thought may be Thomas' father but think this is the wrong one,

Piece:

3038



Folio:

120



Page Number:

25

[Zoemcdougall]

I am also getting confused with surname as in Post 5,
It mentions a Mary O'Melia daughter of Thomas & Hannah. all the other children have just Melia as the surname Mary has [O'Melia.] Why would that be.

[kiterunner]

This was the ref I thought may be Thomas' father but think this is the wrong one,

Piece:

3038



Folio:

120



Page Number:

25

Which year are those census refs for?

I am also getting confused with surname as in Post 5,
It mentions a Mary O'Melia daughter of Thomas & Hannah. all the other children have just Melia as the surname Mary has [O'Melia.] Why would that be. Just one of those Irish surnames where they sometimes use the O and sometimes drop it, I guess.

[Shona]

I am also getting confused with surname as in Post 5,
It mentions a Mary O'Melia daughter of Thomas & Hannah. all the other children have just Melia as the surname Mary has [O'Melia.] Why would that be.

Dropping the O from an Irish name isn't unusual, Zoe, particularly if a family moved from Ireland to England or the USA, for example.

I've seen O'Connor change to Connor and O'Sullivan become Sullivan when families left Ireland. Other examples are O'Neill to Neill, O'Reilly to Reilly.

Gaelic names were also anglicised - O'Gowan to Smith

The changes may be a response to anti-Irish feeling, attempts at integration or simply for ease.

[Zoemcdougall]

1891, but looking on the record it gives the year of birth for Thomas melia 1857, and his son also Thomas as 1883, & the thomas I was looking for his year of birth is 1880. But what you have found for me Kate is absolutely fantastic, My OH is very pleased. As he knew nothing of his mother's family.

[kiterunner]

I've found the 1891 census entry you mean now, but the piece number is 3439, folio 21, page 15. It looks promising, but you would be best to get a copy of Thomas and Hannah's marriage certificate to find out the name of Thomas's father, Zoe.

[Zoemcdougall]

I will order their cert today, Kate.

[tenterfieldjulie]

Zoe don't ever think that names are always spelt the same. Often you will find surnames of children with the same parents spelt differently. In Australia you had so many different accents eg English, Scottish, German, Irish .. so that if a person spoke a name for registration, it depended on how the person recording heard it. If you had a change of recorder, or your changed the place where you lived, it could easily be spelt differently.
In another instance in Ireland one man was name as O'Sullivan, here he became Sullivan - then another man in Ireland was Sullivan and here he became O'Sullivan ... this caused a lot of confusion as they were both named Daniel.
This is why if you can find families together on censuses it saves a lot of confusion and censuses are so valuable. Julie

[Zoemcdougall]

Thankyou for your replies, I have ordered Hannah Naylor & Thomas Melia's marriage cert.

I have seen a photo of a Veronica Melia with a lady called Rose, (Titled Rose with Daughter Veronica) is this the same family do you think or a different one, but looking at the photo Veronica bares a striking resemblance of my Mother in law, who is the niece of Veronica.

After Hannah Died Thomas supposedly married a Rose Colprit, who had been previously married. I haven't come across a marriage for Thomas & Rose yet.

[kiterunner]

It probably means Rose with step-daughter Veronica.

[Zoemcdougall]

i have just seen a photo of Winifred & Veronica with all their details of when travelled on the Andania to the uk Winifred was 11 Veronica was 8.