Charles Annis

[kiterunner]

Name - "official" name and what they were known as Charles Annis
Date and place of birth 1748 Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk
Names of parents William Annis and Elizabeth nee Minter
Date and place of baptism - if applicable 16 Feb 1748 Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk
Details of each of his or her marriages - if any 8 Apr 1771 at Rushall, Norfolk, to Sarah Lemon. Of the parish of Market Herling (now East Harling), witnesses Timothy Cunningham and Joshua Sheppard (serial witness).
Occupation(s) - if any Don't know
Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on (if s/he lived in census times!).
1771 - Market Herling, Norfolk
1776-1781 Pulham St Mary, Norfolk
1783-1806 Burnham Thorpe, Norfolk
Date, place and cause of death 17 Apr 1806 Burnham Thorpe, Norfolk, not got cause
Date and place of burial. 20 Apr 1806 Burnham Thorpe, age 63
Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable Not found
Memorial inscription - if any Not found

Link to son's thread:John Annis (http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=12571)

[kiterunner]

Just discovered that Charles and Sarah had a "baseborn" son Charles Annis baptised the day before their wedding!

Charles sr could be the one baptised 16 Feb 1747 at Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, son of William and Elizabeth, but I haven't found proof yet. That couple did have a child called Minter baptised in 1760, and my Charles also named a son Minter.

[Chris Annis]

Charles ANNIS is my four times great grandfather and I have information about his marriage in Rushall, together with information on many other ANNIS'. Happy to provide you with what I have.

[kiterunner]

That makes you a distant relative of my OH, Chris. Welcome to the forum! I have already seen Charles Annis's marriage record, but do you have any information about his parents, please? Do you know whether he was the Charles baptised in Bury St Edmunds?

[Chris Annis]

The marriage licence of Charles ANNIS and Sarah LEMON shows Charles as age 23, so born c 1748 and from Market Harling (now East Harling, Suffolk). This was his second marriage, the first being to Rachel ROBINSON at All Saints, Burnham Thorpe, Norfolk on 24 October 1768 (I assume Rachel died, although I have been unable to trace the death).
I believe Charles' parents are William ANNIS and Elizabeth (maiden name unknown), who baptised a son "1748 April 16 Charles son of William & Elizabeth Annis as baptised" at St Mary's Church, Braiseworth, Suffolk. I have no trace of their marriage in Braiseworth (they may have married in Stoke Ash - see below). An Elizabeth ANNISS is recorded by the Suffolk Family History Society in their Burial transcriptions as being buried in Braiseworth, Suffolk on 30 September 1782.
The following has been extracted from the WILLIAMS family tree www.williamsfamilytree.co.uk - Robert ANNIS born about 1667 St. James, Bury St. Edmunds. Robert married Mary ROSE (bap 27 March 1671 in Bury St. Edmunds) on 5 October 1691 in Stoke Ash, Suffolk. They baptised a son (amongst other children) William on 11 April 1698 in Stoke Ash.
Bury St. Edmunds, Stoke Ash, Braiseworth and Rushall (together with other villages that Charles lived in) are all within a 20 mile radius of each other.
I hope this helps - there could be a connection between the above and the Charles you mention baptised in Bury St Edmunds in 1747.
What is your connection to the ANNIS line?

[kiterunner]

Wow, that's very interesting; thanks very much. I will have a look at that Williams family tree site.

Charles Annis and Sarah Lemon are my partner's 5xg-grandparents (hence why this thread is on the 5xg-grandparents board). Amazing that there could be a connection with Stoke Ash as I grew up in the next village, but my partner is from Lancashire!

[kiterunner]

So this is the marriage to Rachel Robinson:
Burnham Thorpe
Charles Annis of this parish Single man and Rachel Robinson of this parish Single woman married by banns 24 Oct 1868, witnesses Willm Rowe and Willm Scott. All make their mark.

Charles Annis also made his mark on the marriage to Sarah Lemon so could well be the same person.

[Chris Annis]

Hi - Further thoughts about the Charles ANNIS baptism - Stoke Ash or Bury St Edmunds. It's a bit of a long shot, but I wonder if they are one and the same. The parents names are the same, the dates are within 14 months of each other and neither are a million miles away.
The other baptisms/burials recorded to William and Elizabeth, all at Stoke Ash are Richard 19 Jan 1737/8 (bap), John 19 Nov 1739 (bur), Elizabeth 15 Jul 1742 (bap), Charles 3 Oct 1744 (bur), Ann & Mary (twins) 8 Jan 1745/6 (bap), Robert 8 Jan 1745/6 (bap), Charles 16 Apr 1748 (bap), Ann 18 Apr 1748 (bur), Robert 4 Mar 1749/50 (bur), Hannah 18 Dec 1750 (bap) and John 14 Jun 1751 (bap).
I wonder if, on a visit to Bury St Edmunds Elizabeth gave birth to Charles, and having already lost one Charles (see above, 1744), they had him baptised in Bury St Edmunds and then again in Stoke Ash when they returned. I have come across both private and public baptisms of the same child, probably due to the baby being sick and the mortality rate being high. Perhaps Charles was poorly when born but recovered. Lots of if's, but's and maybe's!!!
Do you have a full transcript of the Bury St Edmunds baptism, as if was a private one they sometimes have additional information. The other problem is the Minter baptism in 1760 - wher were the family between 1751 and 1760.
PS Have you come across the Horatio Nelson connection in Burnham Thorpe

[kiterunner]

No, I haven't got a full transcript of the Bury St Edmunds baptism. There isn't much Suffolk stuff online and I have never managed to get the chance to go to a Suffolk record office yet. I'll have to have a look at what is online about the Stoke Ash family and the Bury St Edmunds ones though and see if I can figure anything out. There surely must be a connection with the couple who had a child called Minter as it is an uncommon name, don't you think?

I think everyone from that area of Norfolk claims a connection of some kind with Horatio Nelson! Do you know of a specific one with the Annis family?

[kiterunner]

These are the children of Charles and Sarah that I know of:
Charles 1771 Rushall (born before the marriage)
Jack Goddard 1776 Pulham St Mary
Robert 1779 Pulham St Mary
Hannah 1781 Pulham St Mary
Richard 1781 Pulham St Mary
Hannah 1783 Burnham Thorpe
John 1786 Burnham Thorpe (my OH's ancestor)
Susanna 1788 Burnham Thorpe
Minter 1791 Burnham Thorpe.

Do you know of any more, and which one are you descended from, please? If only they had a son named William, it would fit better with either of those possible baptisms for Charles!

Looking on FamilySearch, the William and Elizabeth in Bury St Edmunds had twins Mary and Patience baptised in 1749, and a Mary buried in 1746. But some of the other baptisms (including Minter in 1760) are just down as "Suffolk" on there so I am not sure now whether Minter is definitely a Bury St Edmunds one anyway.

Also on FamilySearch, is the burial of John Annis, son of Will and Elizabeth, 19 Nov 1739 at Bury St Edmunds, residence "parish of Briesworth", which must surely be Braiseworth. Braiseworth is close to Stoke Ash but not very near to Bury St Edmunds, so this does show a connection betwen the Stoke Ash / Braiseworth family and the Bury St Edmunds one. Assuming FamilySearch is correct.

[Chris Annis]

Hi - in reply to your last two posts: I couldn't agree with you more about the name Minter - when I traced the name many years ago I thought it very unusual - I think there still could be a connection with the one recorded in Bury St Edmunds.
No direct Nelson connection apart from 1. his birthplace of Burnham Thorpe, 2. his father the Rev Edmund Nelson marrying Charles Annis and Rachel ROBINSON in 1768 and 3. I have an ANNIS showing on a Muster List of one of Nelson's ships, but can't tie it in with any one on my tree.
I agree with your list of children to Charles and Sarah - NB Hannah (bap 1781) was buried in 1782. Additionally, Robert (1779), Richard (1781), Hannah (1783) and John (1786) were all publicly baptised in Burnham Thorpe on 20 August 1786 - the baptism entry makes reference to Pulham St Mary, (where Robert and Richard were privately baptised) proving it is the same family - do you have any thoughts on why they moved from Pulham to the Burnham's? - I have a theory.
My ancestor was Robert (1779).
Twins do run in the family, so there could be a link with the two you found in Bury St Edmunds. The John burial in Bury/residence Braiseworth is interesting - there are many ANNIS' in and around Braiseworth, Stoke Ash, Eye and surrounding parishes - they all need sorting!!
Chris

[kiterunner]

do you have any thoughts on why they moved from Pulham to the Burnham's? - I have a theory. No, I have no idea - would love to hear your theory, please!

[Chris Annis]

Well, if you're sitting comfortably - I think it's all to do with Sheep!:

Market Harling is another name for East Harling. Big sheep markets used to be held there, even up to the 1900's (source Rosemary Witham, Professional Researcher December 2000).
A Husbandman (Welsh term - and the occupation shown on Charles' Rushall Marriage Licence) is a 'farm worker experienced in all branches of farm work and able to plough, sow, reap, milk, tend sheep and cattle, thatch, repair ditches etc and usually acts as headman or foreman' - source 1921 Census of Popular Occupations - 1920 Census.
Information from John Rowe, Researcher at Norfolk Family History Society, February 2001 (who was born in Pulham Market): " I was not aware of any common interest between Rushall and Harling. Movement would probably be along the Waveney valley and Harling is not far from the joint sources of the rivers Waveney and Little Ouse which flow in opposite directions and form the county boundary. You (my suggestion to John Rowe) are right in thinking Peddars Way - one would go north from Harling to Castle Acre, and north of this there are lots of green lanes and drover's roads and I notice even a Roman road from Sculthorpe to Burnham Overy. This all makes me think sheep, particularly as the Holkham Estate adjoins the Burnhams and there were many big estates around Thetford and certainly between Thetford and Harling. The Duke of Norfolk had one at Kenninghall (maybe still has) and the Albemarle's at Quidenham. Sheep and cattle would move between these places." Burnham Overy (one of the other ‘Seven Burnham’s’), at the time, was a very prosperous wool port.

So my theory is that Charles regularly travelled between Market Harling or thereabouts and the North Norfolk Coast and on one of the trips met and married Rachel Robinson. He then marries Sarah in Rushall, and then subsequently (maybe because of his trade again) moved to Burnham Thorpe.

I thought you might also be interested in the remainder of information/facts I have for Charles:

Baptism recorded in Braiseworth, Suffolk Parish Register of Baptisms 16 April 1748 as "Charles son of William and Elizabeth Annis"
No trace of a Charles Annis being Baptised in Burnham Thorpe Parish Register of Baptisms Fiche 1735-1751, although fiche was very difficult to read.
First marriage (?) recorded in Burnham Thorpe Parish Register, 1768, page 12, entry no. 34, " Charles Annis of this parish singleman and Rachel Robinson of this Parish singlewoman were married in this church by Banns this 24th day of October in the Year One Thousand [Seven] Hundred and 68 By me E. Nelson". Both Charles and Rachel marked and both witnesses, William Rowe & William Scott marked. The witness William Scott may have been related to Charles' eldest son's wife Amy Scott (AS/127). Burnham Thorpe marriage also recorded in Burnham Thorpe Parish Archdeacon's Transcripts and NFHS transcripts (no additional info.). No trace in IGI.
Second (?) marriage recorded in Philip Hamlin's Marriage Index of Norfolk, a summary of which is: " Charles Annis of Market Harling, Norfolk married by Licence Sarah Lemon of Rushall on 8th April 1771 at Rushall. Sarah signed with a X. The Licence, ANF/12/25 is dated 8th April 1771. Charles Annis is of Market Harling, aged 23, Husbandman. Sarah Lemon of Rushall, aged 20. Hannah Lemon, her mother, consents with a X." (sources Rosemary Witham, December 2000 and Pat Tonkin, June 2003, professional researchers - see full transcript of licence, including a photocopy, in personal file). Also recorded in IGI, but as 5th April, 1771. This entry must have been transcribed from the Rushall Parish Archdeacon's Transcripts of Marriages 1771, where the "8" in the date is very badly written and could easily have been taken for a "5".
Two burials are recorded in the Burnham Thorpe Parish Register, 1782, Hannah Annis infant July 9th, and 1801, Hannah Annis infant was buried July the 13th 1801 - no parents names in either entry are recorded. These could have been daughters of Charles and Sarah - they subsequently had a daughter in 1783 named Hannah? The one buried in 1782 is more likely to have been HA/707 and the one in 1801 a grandaughter of Charles and Sarah as Sarah would have been over 50 years of age.
Recorded at son's (CA/126) marriage (21.1.1801) as witness: Charles Annis Snr.
Death and burial recorded in Burnham Thorpe Parish Register of Burials, "1806, Annis - Charles Annis died April 17th buried April 20th 1806 aged 63 years". Assuming he was fairly young when baptised, he would have been closer to 58 when buried.

Hope you find this of interest - how did you make the connection between Market Harling/Pulham/Rushall and Burnham Thorpe?

[kiterunner]

Very interesting, thanks. I found the connection because I searched online for all children of Charles and Sarah and found that one baptised in Rushall, then some in Pulham, then some in Burnham Thorpe. Then looked for Charles and Sarah's marriage online, and found it said he was of Market Harling.

I think the Hannah who was buried in 1782 will be the one who was baptised 1 Feb 1781 at Pulham St Mary; don't know whether that is what you mean by HA/707?