View Full Version : Mrs Ann Schofield, Mottram, Cheshire
tenterfieldjulie
08-03-13, 08:31
Just found a lovely memorial card reading:
Sacred to the Memory of Mrs Ann Schofield of Dukinfield, who departed this life October 24th., aged 57 years; and who was interred at the parish church, Mottram, Oct 28, 1857.
I found this on family search, except they have written the age as 47. I am wondering the best place to look for records of Dukinfield and Mottram to find out more about this lady. Thanks Julie
kiterunner
08-03-13, 09:04
Findmypast has the parish register image of the burial (they have also transcribed the age as 47, but I think they share transcriptions with FamilySearch for a lot of databases now), and a transcription of a memorial inscription.
Lots of marriages in Mottram between Schoffield men and women named Ann on Family Search.
tenterfieldjulie
08-03-13, 09:45
Thanks Shona
Lots of marriages in Mottram between Schoffield men and women named Ann on Family Search.
...if they married in Mottram, that is! There's a public tree on Ancestry which has an Ann Ashworth, born c1796, Oldham, m William Schofield in Rochdale, living in Mottram in 1841. He was a wool carder.
There are a few hits for an Ann Lees who married John Schofield, which I thought was a possible, but they popped up in the 1861 census.
tenterfieldjulie
08-03-13, 09:53
I am wondering if Mrs. Ann Schofield can be found at Dukinfield, Cheshire in the 1841/51 Census aged abt 40 and 51? We cross posted Shona, while she was buried at Mottram the card says that she is of Dukinfield ..
[QUOTE=Shona;227477]...if they married in Mottram, that is! There's a public tree on Ancestry which has an Ann Ashworth, born c1796, Oldham, m William Schofield in Rochdale, living in Mottram in 1841. He was a wool carder.QUOTE]
Nope. Found them in 1861.
kiterunner
08-03-13, 10:16
Her age at death is 57 on Cheshire BMD.
tenterfieldjulie
08-03-13, 10:31
I think she is connected with the Schofield's who had the Peel Inn at Nundle NSW.. Thomas won it in a card game ..
I found this by googling and think this is her -
"John Schofield who married Ann [Alm / Elm / Helm ] on the 9.6.1823 Mottram, they had 11 or 12 children to the marriage.
John gives his birth place as Saddlesworth, he must have had a brother as in the 1851 census he has a niece by the name of Sarah staying with him as well as his own daughter Sarah.
In 1862 John is given as a Spinner on his son William's wedding certificate.
He also was a publican as shown on the 1841 census, he was at the public house called the Bay of Middleton, and in the 1851 census he had moved with his family to the public House called Chapel House.
I think his wife Ann died on the 24.October 1857, but as yet I haven't been able to prove this is my Ann I'm looking for. She is Buried in the church grounds at St Michael's Ashton- Under -Lynne. (He then lists the children) Rob Schofield"
only thing that confuses me is that he says she is buried at St. Michael's Ashton-Under-Lynne and the card says Mottram...
Checking FMP earlier, I noted that Ann was buried in the graveyard of St Michael and All Saints Church in Mottram. If you Google churches in Ashton-under-Lyne, there is a St Michael and All Saints. Either it's the same church (don't think so) or Rob Schofield has confused two churches with the same name.
kiterunner
08-03-13, 16:56
There is indeed a John Schofield (age 35) living at "A Public House called The Bay of Middleton" in Dukinfield on the 1841 census with a wife Ann (also age 35) but he is a cotton mill warehouseman. It doesn't say he was a publican on there. Did Ann run the pub while John was working in the warehouse?
Edit - I see he is an Innkeeper in 1851.
tenterfieldjulie
08-03-13, 20:16
Yes it is confusing .. I think this person is putting bits together and not knowing the places coming to the wrong conclusions .. when I get time I will try to contact him ..
Many thanks Kate and Shona ..
Obviously confusing is to whether she was a Elm or Helm or Alm!
Were those census records on Ancestry? If they are I will try go to the library and get the record. It should give me where Ann was born?
Thanks again. Julie
kiterunner
08-03-13, 21:57
The census records are on both ancestry and FMP, Julie. On the 1851 census Ann is 51 born Cheshire Mottram.
tenterfieldjulie
08-03-13, 23:01
Thanks Kate now at least I know where to look, the 51 census is consistent with the age on her memorial card. She is married as Elm, but others put her as Helm.
kiterunner
09-03-13, 11:36
It was quite common for names to appear with and without an initial H in those days, Julie, I suppose because it was so common for the "H" to be dropped in speech that anyone writing the name down wouldn't be sure whether there was supposed to be one or not.
tenterfieldjulie
09-03-13, 11:42
Thanks Kate. I am quite taken with this family .. and can see me spending more time on Saddleworth Moor when next in UK. In my family Samuel Woodhead married Alice Shaw nee Pogson at Saddleworth and in the Census that is where John Schofield says he was born. So wheels in wheels. Many thanks again your information and advice Kate it is invaluable.
garstonite
10-03-13, 08:36
My nan was born in Broadbottom 1896 and registered Mottram ..it is right on the border with Derbyshire - and through the research I have done - sometimes is classed as Derbyshire in the 1800`s ...so if you do research on Mottram - be careful..it wasn`t always Cheshire ....went there about 12 years ago and as it happened it was around xmas ...the village was magnificently decorated with xmas lights - all the shops / trees ..it was spectacular ..obviously the residents are very proud of their village and it was a very close knit community ...
garstonite
10-03-13, 08:42
9th june 1823 Ann Elm married John Schofield in Mottram ,Longendale,Cheshire
tenterfieldjulie
10-03-13, 08:50
Thanks Allan, it is always great to hear someone's first hand experience. It sounds really lovely. As the thread started I know when Ann died from her memorial card and they have been found in the 1841 and 1851 Census and from an online tree we know when their children are born. I've just found a query online about the family which said that Ann Helm was the dau of William and Ellen Helm of Mossley, Lancs.
tenterfieldjulie
13-03-13, 21:49
I went looking on Ancestry for the Schofield's in the Census. I found them in 1841 at a Public House called the Bay of Middleton (as you found Kate) I see Y written for John in born in the county and I thought he was born Yorkshire. I could not find them in 1851. The family I found in 1861 I think is the wrong one, while he is an Innkeeper born in Dukinfield, his dau Sarah is 28 and born Bredley and Eliza is 19 so ages wrong. So many John Schofields help !!
kiterunner
13-03-13, 22:04
This is them in 1851, Julie (Ann's age mistranscribed):
1851 ancestry (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8860&iid=LANHO107_2237_2237-0630&fn=Ann&ln=Schofield&st=r&ssrc=&pid=11765338)
Or if you want the refs: Piece 2237 Folio 628 Page 70
tenterfieldjulie
13-03-13, 22:10
Thanks Kate I will go back to the Library and have a look on Ancestry.
I also had a look on Cheshire BMD for a death for John, but there are so many and some without ages.
I also had a look at some of the public trees, but they had lots of stuff that was obviously wrong .. I don't think some of the people apply logic at all they just see a name.
kiterunner
13-03-13, 22:14
In 1861 son William is age 21, brother-in-law to a William H Leech in Dukinfield. Mrs Leech is Hannah M so must be Anna Maria from the 1851 census.
Do we know for sure whether John sr was still alive in 1861? Most of the girls could be married by 1861 so not so easy to look for.
kiterunner
13-03-13, 22:20
Ah, I think this is John in 1861 with a new wife, at King Street, Dukinfield:
ancestry 1861 (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=LANRG9_2990_2995-0905&fn=John&ln=Schofield&st=d&ssrc=&pid=9386463)
John Schofield Head Mar 63 Grocer Yorkshire Saddleworth
Sarah Do Wife " 62 Lancashire Audenshaw
Martha Kay Daur " 24 Charwoman Cheshire Staley
Levina Schofield Do Un 16 Cotton Weaver Cheshire Dukinfield
Piece 2993 Folio 89 Page 2
There are a lot of them around though, so I'm not certain! But Levina looks right.
tenterfieldjulie
13-03-13, 23:37
That looks spot on Kate. Lavinia/Levinia Schofield bapt 8/8/1846 at Dukinfield, married in 1867 in NSW at Tamworth to Mark Emblen. She dies in 1919 Nundle (near Tamworth where many of her siblings settled,) her parents are named John and Ann.
So he is definitely saying he was born in Saddleworth, but a bit earlier than we thought.
tenterfieldjulie
14-03-13, 07:44
I went to the Library but it wouldn't let me link straight in .. eventually found both the 1851 and the 1861 Census images for John Schofield and family. The imagine from 1851 was terribly hard to read on Ancestry. I'm pleased that you had found it earlier. What it proves is that he was definitely born in Saddleworth so that is a plus. Tried Cheshire BDM to work out who he married, but there are a lot of John Schofield marriages to Sarah, although one has two names, so could be her. Maybe if I can find Martha's marriage to a Kay between 1855 and 1861, it might give me her maiden name and therefore Sarah's previous name.
kiterunner
14-03-13, 08:14
Maybe if I can find Martha's marriage to a Kay between 1855 and 1861, it might give me her maiden name and therefore Sarah's previous name.
There is a Joseph Kay / Martha Baxter marriage in 1857 at Stalybridge. And a John Schofield / Sarah Baxter (aka Lowe) marriage in 1859 at St Mary, Stockport.
kiterunner
14-03-13, 08:15
Then looking at FamilySearch, they have John Schofield marrying Sarah Baxter 31 Mar 1859 at St Mary, Stockport, his father James Schofield and hers James Lowe.
tenterfieldjulie
14-03-13, 08:25
Wow Kate .. his father's name .. you are amazing .. what a find.. now we might get somewhere in Saddleworth .. so John Schofield born C 1798 Saddleworth, Yorkshire, son of James Schofield..
I've just been playing around and got onto a Cheshire site with wills and I found -
First Name: JOHN; Surname: SCHOFIELD; Place: DUKINFIELD;
Occupation: INNKEEPER; Date: 1872; Will: Yes;
Reference: MF91/18, WR13 P890
(Cost 4 pounds plus post at Cheshire RO)
The problem is in 1861 he was a grocer in Dukinfield .. would he go back to a Innkeeper that he was in 1851?
kiterunner
14-03-13, 08:37
I don't think that's him, Julie - I was looking for him in the National Probate Calendar yesterday but found nothing definite. This looks like the entry for the one you have found, and the John Schofield deaths on FreeBMD for that quarter in Ashton district are aged 59 and 86:
NPC 1872
SCHOFIELD John. Effects under £450.
29 October. The Will of John Schofield late of Town-lane Dukinfield in the County of Chester Innkeeper who died 10 July 1872 at Town-lane was proved at Chester by Mary Schofield of Town-lane Widow the Relict Samuel Schofield of Town-lane Iron Moulder the Son and Charles Meadowcroft of Dukinfield Draper the Executors.
tenterfieldjulie
14-03-13, 08:42
No definitely not him then Kate. Maybe a grocer didn't have enough assets .. Julie
tenterfieldjulie
14-03-13, 08:48
I think the only way to find John's burial will be to find the church records of Mottram.. Although his new wife might prefer that he is buried at Dukinfield if he dies before her. Unless they came to Australia where all the family where?
tenterfieldjulie
14-03-13, 08:59
On Family search this is looking promising: parents: James Schofield, Betty; name: John Schofield; christening date:
03 Aug 1799; christening place: SADDLEWORTH,YORK,ENGLAND; indexing project (batch) number: P00584-1; system origin: England-ODM; gs film number: 0558358, 0558359
With a number of John Schofield's baptised around that date and in the area, you can't be sure, but one of his older daughter's was Elizabeth and on the Census she was called Betty.
EEk just looked at Saddleworth and there are two families baptising children at Saddleworth at the same time with parents James Schofield and Betty lol
kiterunner
14-03-13, 09:17
You can view the image of the John Schofield / Sarah Baxter marriage on Findmypast and it should hopefully give you James's occupation - if it doesn't just say "deceased"!
tenterfieldjulie
14-03-13, 09:19
Ooh goodie .. I wonder if he is an innkeeper too ..
tenterfieldjulie
14-03-13, 21:22
I was thinking in the night about how we could narrow down when John Schofield died. Levinia Schofield was found on the 1861 Census in Dukinfield and then in NSW in 1867 when she married. I am wondering if her shipping entry into Australia can be found that it may say something about whether her parents are dead or alive? Julie
kiterunner
14-03-13, 21:54
Yes, good thinking, Julie. She is on the NSW Assisted Passenger Lists on ancestry Sep 1863 on the Shackamaxon, age 18, native place Lancashire, England, parents John & Ann Schofield, mother dead, 2 brothers & 2 sisters resident in the Colony.
tenterfieldjulie
14-03-13, 22:04
Well in that case John was still alive in 1863 bother .. Interesting that she says native place is Lancs .. as I thought she was born at Dukinfield in Cheshire. That part of the world was very confusing though .. I saw that Mossley can be considered in 3 counties and I think there is a debate about Saddleworth too. It makes it very confusing looking for people.
kiterunner
14-03-13, 22:42
Yes, Dukinfield is in that bit of Cheshire that is very close to the borders of a few counties.
ElizabethHerts
15-03-13, 09:47
I find research in that neck of the woods very confusing. There are three possible counties and also lots of non-conformist births and people didn't seem to stick with the same church or chapel.
Furthermore, the names seem very common, also the Christian names, so it's like looking for a needle in a haystack!
tenterfieldjulie
15-03-13, 09:50
I was reading about Saddleworth and the Schofields and they have been there since the 1500s so seemingly millions of them lol
There is a book on St Chad at Saddleworth that is available on Amazon that I am thinking of buying .. Have you seen it Liza?
ElizabethHerts
15-03-13, 10:01
Julie, someone sent me a PDF of it when I was doing R's Andrew family from Lydgate.
However, it's just the pages extracted of interest to the Andrew family. :(
I've searched for Schofield but can't find anything.
I don't know whether it's possible to download it off the Internet. It must be out of copyright. The chap who sent it is in the USA and it's often easier for them to access these documents.
ElizabethHerts
15-03-13, 10:02
Aah, I have got Scholefields on there. I'll have a better look.
tenterfieldjulie
15-03-13, 10:05
Children baptised to John and Betty Schofield at Saddleworth: I presume at St Chad .. ( I think I put in 1790 to 1820 range.) There were lots of marriages of John Schofield marrying a Betty, it seemed very common in Yorkshire (not Elizabeth .. I didn't even look for her)
1793 Hannah; 1795 Joseph and Ann; 1796 Margaret; 1797/8 born and baptised Mary (died 1839); 1798 Mally; 1799/1800 born and baptised Samuel (died 1808); 3/8/1799 baptised John; 1801 William; 1803 Eli and Joel; 1805 Mally and Anna; 1807 Hugh; 1809 Betty; 1811 Isaac; 1816 William; 1818 Thomas.
ElizabethHerts
15-03-13, 10:07
I've only got 6 pages and there is nothing in them for John and Betty.
The spelling used here seems to be predominantly Scholefield.
It's the John Radcliffe records.
tenterfieldjulie
15-03-13, 10:24
I am wondering if the book on St Chad Saddleworth may be available on interlibrary loan. I will check at the library in the morning.
I am wondering if the book on St Chad Saddleworth may be available on interlibrary loan. I will check at the library in the morning.
Check your email inbox first, though, Julie. You might or might not have something useful there. ;)
ElizabethHerts
15-03-13, 14:08
Janet, I thought it would be easier to get hold of in the USA. My contact is from the USA and he sent me the extracts I have on the Andrews family.
Have PMd you, Elizabeth. I'm all tied up with another project, but will try to keep an eye out for a reply from you. Just please don't think I'm ignoring you if I don't respond right away! :)
ElizabethHerts
15-03-13, 16:41
Many thanks, Janet!
tenterfieldjulie
15-03-13, 20:50
Wow wow wow .. Christmas !! in my emails .. many thanks ladies..
From John's 2nd marriage he names his father James and a clothier ..
From a brief look at the amazing Saddleworth book .. baptism John 3/8/1799 son of James and Betty Schofield of Whitelee. I see a note about a death of a 75 yr old John and where he was buried on the previous page which might have relevance .. absolutely beautiful ..
I wonder if there is a directory for clothiers ..
So many thanks .. I note lots of Holdens .. haven't gone looking for Pogsons/Pugsons
My pleasure. :) Yeah, I was a little afraid to mention the presence of all those Holdens... :confused::eek:
tenterfieldjulie
15-03-13, 21:19
Don't think there will be much h.....k done here today lol
Thanks again Janet..
Ah! Don't miss page 595, "Key to Index of Names, Showing the Varied Orthography"!
Don't know if anyone trawling through Saddleworth has any non-cons, but you never know so here's a discussion I stumbled upon:
Baptisms in Wesleyan Chapels-Saddleworth (http://www.ukgen.com/forums/showthread.php?9468-Baptisms-in-Wesleyan-Chapels-Saddleworth.)
Also stumbled upon a John Radcliffe 1789-1850 who came over here from Saddleworth. Couldn't you just die to have video like this of all your ancestors' gravestones? Dream on, Janet! :d
John Radcliffe of Saddleworth England Oak Cliff Cemetery, Derby, CT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWE_jEGnxGo)
Aha! I now realize there are two volumes, 1613-1751 and 1751-1800. Some information worth taking in on this link here, I think:
Radcliffe registers - RootsWeb (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ENG-LAN-MOSSLEY-SADDLEWORTH/2004-12/1103703907)
Julie, I couldn't answer your last PM because your PM inbox is overstuffed again. Anyway, I've just sent you ANOTHER box of chocolates. :d:d:d Go look in your gmail.
Some chocolates there for you too, Elizabeth. :)
I'm trusting Julie to share her chocolates with OC. ;)
tenterfieldjulie
16-03-13, 04:08
Ooh goodie .. luv chocs lol
tenterfieldjulie
16-03-13, 04:25
Trying to draw conclusions ..
1. John Schofield in 1851 and 1861 Census says born Saddleworth and in 1861 aged 63.
2. John's second marriage in 1859 - Father James, clothier.
3. Baptism at Saddledworth 3/8/1799 John Schofield, parents James & Betty Schofield (Scholefield) of Whitelee.
4. 1794 marriages Saddleworth:
a. 23 June - James Schofield and Betty Wilson;
b. 25 Aug - James Schofield and Betty Woodhead. (James Radcliffe version note. James Schofield, Greaves, died 16/8/1838 in 69th year; Betty his w. d 15/2/1830 in 71st year.)
Queries .. Do I have the right baptism John of Whitlee?
Is his mother Betty Wilson, as the other family is of Greaves?
Confusion .. I found a marriage Saddleworth 13 May 1788 - James Schofield or Scholefield (Whitlee) and Mally Kaye, sojourner (Wharley Clough). So did Mally die and he remarried Betty Wilson ..
toooooooooo many Schofields .. or Scholefield or all the other alternatives..
In 1799 there were six John Schofields baptised at Saddleworth ... aren't I lucky that he had a 2nd marriage and named his father James ..
ElizabethHerts
16-03-13, 07:27
Julie, I couldn't place where St. Chad's is so I looked on Google Maps and it is down a lane away from the houses. Do have a look at it. It's not your usual parish church, and I must admit it would look much better without the huge tarmacced car park infront of it. (I'm wondering how grass and a lych gate would transform it!)
Edit: I see it wasn't a huge car park infront of it but the actual lane. Some other views of it are more flattering.
Oh, relief, this is a much nicer view of the church than the street view.
http://www.saddleworth-historical-society.org.uk/photo_gallery/st%20chad.htm
ElizabethHerts
16-03-13, 07:29
Julie, they do graveyard plans for St Chad's:
http://www.saddleworth-historical-society.org.uk/publications/current.htm
Scroll down a little - it's on the right-hand side.
ElizabethHerts
16-03-13, 08:16
Julie, the registers are a gem. I don't think R's Newtons figure, but the Andrews do. I hope you are less confused and not more, with all those Scholefields!
The Supplement at the back of the earlier register is very helpful to me, as it has a heading:
ENOCH ANDREW'S CHILDREN BORN-
and then lists them. We think that OH is descended from this man. I need to go through it really carefully to link it all up.
tenterfieldjulie
16-03-13, 08:18
oOOH I want .. lots .. siggh..
tenterfieldjulie
16-03-13, 08:23
There are 3 James and Betty Schofield having children at the same time in Saddleworth .. this additional information from John Radcliffe book makes all the difference .. I have gone back and forwards and fortunately only one has a John in the right time frame at Whitelee. Another family is at Temple Bar (buried Greaves) and the other at Kinders ..
I think the mother is Betty Wilson .. siggh .. so much to absorb .. absolutely wonderful .. wish they were my family lol ..
I only saw one Pogson, but I think the earlier register edition will have the Pogsons.. but not going there at the moment..
John of Whitelee has an older sister Sally baptised 27/3/1796, but the name isn't carried on by him unfortunately.
tenterfieldjulie
17-03-13, 02:54
You never know what you find when you Google ..
From the Tameside Family History Message Board back in 2007 part of which says -
"John (SCHOFIELD) married 9 June 1823 Ann Ellen HELM [Marriage record- parish of Mottram in Longendale, St. Michael's; [ her name on the marriage record Ann ELM] Ann the daughter of William HELM & Ellen BLACKBURN. Ann Ellen b+ St Michael’s Mottram 22 May 1791. No other information on this William & Ellen except a marriage date, 9 Nov. 1779 St Michael, Ashton-Under-Lyne."
So if this can be substantiated .. we know when she was baptised, who her parents where, where & who she married, where she died, and roughly what happened to her children and her husband remarried .. but wonder what happened to him lol .. men ..
Edit .. confused found on Famsearch a marriage of William Helm with Ellen Blackburn/Blackbury on 9/11/1779 at St Michael, Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire .. baptisms at Mossley of Betty 22/8/1784, William 23/4/1786, Ellen 18/3/1788, Ann 22/5/1791 then there are two Martha 29/7/1797, bapt 13/8/1797 (Methodist Oldham) and John 28/8/1799 bapt 5/9/1799 (same)..
Can anyone check FMP for the 1851 Census for the family of William and Ann Schofield .. the image on Ancestry was terrible to try to read. I know there was a problem with Anns age .. whether baptism age is 1788 or 1791 it doesn't agree with her Memorial card which says age 57 death in 1857 ... if she is older Levinia is born when she is 58? Thoughts please ..
kiterunner
17-03-13, 11:47
It seems highly unlikely that they have the correct baptism for Ann, because it would make her 32 when she got married for the first time.
tenterfieldjulie
17-03-13, 12:45
Yes I agree Kate, it seems unlikely that she would give birth in her late 50s.. I know it is possible, but I think it isn't very probable. I see that Helm and variants was quite a common name in Lancashire .. like Schofield in Yorkshire .. oh dear .. thanks. Julie
tenterfieldjulie
19-04-13, 10:57
It's a small world, I was talking to a cousin tonight from Uralla. He is a descendant of the Pogson's too from Yorks/Lancs. I that I had been looking at the Schofields from Yorks/Lancs who were connected to the Schofields from Nundle, NSW. He started to laugh and said a friend of his is one of those Schofields and he has done his family way back !!! He said I will put him in touch with you .. so it will be interesting to see whether his information tallies with what we have found and whether we can add to each other's information. Watch this space !! Julie
Uncle John
19-04-13, 13:51
He started to laugh and said a friend of his is one of those Schofields and he has done his family way back !!!
The Australian gene pool is fairly small, isn't it!
tenterfieldjulie
19-04-13, 21:24
lol .. yes UJ unless one is considering marsupials ... lots of land and room to move .. apart from those pesky varmits .. Cheers Julie
tenterfieldjulie
04-05-13, 12:34
Death of John Schofield .. I have been trying to establish when John died.
He was alive in the 1861 Census as a grocer, having remarried Sarah Baxter aka Lowe at Stockport in 1859.
When his daughter Levinia migrates in 1863 he is still alive.
I found found three deaths at Ashton that fit his age. I am wondering if any can be eliminated and whether Nos 2 and 3 can be found in the 1871 Census.
John Schofield Reg at Ashton Lancashire:
(1) - age 71 Mar Q 1869;
(2) - age 79 Mar Q 1877;
(3) - age 82 Dec Q 1879.
Thank you. Julie
tenterfieldjulie
04-05-13, 13:18
I believe the John Schofield (2) aged 79, buried Mar Q 1877 is the John Samuel buried 22 Jan and so I don't think that is him as Samuel has never been mentioned.
On Family search I also found a John Schofield buried 12/9/1867 at Ashworth, Lancs parents John and Betty, but that may be a red herring as no age is given.
There is also in the parish of St Peter, Ashton-Under-Lyne, Lancaster, John Schofield buried 28 Jan 1867 aged 68 years, another contender.
So one out and one in .. still three contenders..
kiterunner
04-05-13, 13:25
Lancs OPC has a burial 1 Apr 1869 at St John the Evangelist, Hurst, Lancs, John Scholfield age 71, abode Mill Lane, Ashton under Lyne.
Cheshire BMD has a death for John Schofield in 1877, age 79, sub-district Stayley, which was in Ashton district. And one in 1879, age 82, sub-district also Stayley. None of the deaths in Dukinfield sub-district between 1861 and 1881 have the right age.
There are two John Schofields in Stayley, Cheshire, age 73 on the 1871 census. One is a woollen manufacturer born Stayley, married to Ann age 70 born Saddleworth, with children William 30 and Sarah Ann 41, and the other is a carrier born Royton, Lancs, with wife Mary 66 born Preston and children John 24 and Jane 26. So these are probably the ones who died in 1877 and 1879.
kiterunner
04-05-13, 13:27
On Family search I also found a John Schofield buried 12/9/1867 at Ashworth, Lancs parents John and Betty, but that may be a red herring as no age is given.
If the burial gives his parents' names then it is almost certainly a child.
tenterfieldjulie
04-05-13, 22:57
I think it would be worth buying the 1869 death cert for informant's name. It says Mar Q and with burial on 1 April that would fit. I wonder if there are any Schofields at Mill Lane, in the 1871 Census that might be a clue. I have never looked for his 2nd wife so maybe that is what I should do. Thanks again Kate. Julie
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