Can anyone spot

[LindyTumblethump]

I am helping an elderly freind and simply cannot find her fathers birth reg, found him on the 1911 in Hendon but cannot view image not that it would help, age 5 His name is Harold Albert Grote father George mother Alice. Have looked on Ancestry and Free bmd but cannot find a birth reg help. xxhugxx

[vallee]

it says born in Finchley but trying to find his birth reg at the minute

[vallee]

cannot find him at all ????

[vallee]

funny thing is I cant find one of his siblings either Leonard ??

[LindyTumblethump]

It is most odd thank you very much for trying xxhugxx

[vallee]

maybe his mother remarried and the kids are under the first husbands name

[Merry]

Here' they are in 1901:

RG13; Piece: 1635; Folio: 116

Looks like the parents married in Wandsworth in 1894.

Have you looked at the full GRO indexes? It may be that as they are probably retyped lists and the name Grote might well only have one entry, that the entry has been missed when the pages were retyped. Or, the entry didn't ever get recorded at the GRO.

Having said the above....these are the 1911 children and birth regs:

Alice 1896 Wandsworth
George 1897 Wandsworth
Dorothy 1898 Wandsworth
Violet 1903 ?
Amy 1904 ?
Harold 1906 ?
Leonard 1907 ?
Lily 1909 Hendon
Margaret 1910 Hendon

So, he's not the only one not obvious! lol

[vallee]

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=LMAmarriages%2c&rank=0&=%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c% 2c%2c%2c&gsfn=george&gsln=grote&sx=&gs1co=1%2cAll+Countries&gs1pl=1%2c+&year=&yearend=&sbo=1&sbor=&ufr=0&wp=4%3b_80000002%3b_80000003&srchb=r&prox=1&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=34&fh=1&h=6791091&recoff=35+37+49+51
heres the parents marriage

[Merry]

Finchley would be Hendon District.

[LindyTumblethump]

Well done Merry and thanks Vallee she will be thrilled to have this info, her dad is a mystery xxhugxx

[Merry]

There's a bap for Amy Ruth Grote (one of the ones for whom I couldn't see a birth reg) on Ancestry on 15th Jan 1905 at St Mary, Finchley.

[Rachel]

Amy Ruth's baptism is on Ancestry ~ London, England Births and Baptisms 1813 - 1906


Bapt 15th Jan 1905
St Mary, Finchley, Barnet

[Rachel]

Oooer where's my post gone ?

eeeek ~ something strange happened .... too late anyway

[vallee]

I looked at the baptisms too but no Harold Albert but then he was born in abt 1906 when the Baptisms stop on Ancestry

[LindyTumblethump]

Found a very distant possible for Leonard, your opinions please lol
June 1907 Leonard Philip E CROTTY Hendon would that be a bit far fetched to call it an error?? xxhugxx

[kiterunner]

I wondered about him too, Lindy, but that Leonard is on the 1911 census at Willesden, Middlesex.

[Phoenix]

George is signing the form himself in 1911, so he can write perfectly well.
violet is born at Walthamstow, the next few at Finchley. Perhaps after losing two (presumably round about 1900) the others were sickly so Alice didn't get out to register them?

(Is this classic syphillis pattern ala WDYTYA?) - not to cast nasturtiums:)

[LindyTumblethump]

She told me that his brother Leonard died in the war, now I have found one death Leonard A GROUT age 34 Lewisham JAS 1940 which ties up with birth reg for Leonard Arthur GROUT June 1906 Lewisham looks like him but is it him lol still cannot find our Harold though. xxhugxx

[kiterunner]

But again, Lindy, there is a Leonard Arthur Grout age 4 in Lewisham on the 1911 census.

[Merry]

I can't see the death of Leonard, but his widow (if he was dead) seems to have remarried in Q1 1946.

[Merry]

Forget that last post - she remarried in Q1 1958. :rolleyes:

[LindyTumblethump]

Odder and odder Merry, surname Grote I wonder if she went overseas and had the two boys, off to see what nationality Grote is xxhugxx

[LindyTumblethump]

Possibly Huguenot wonder if she went to France xxhugxx

[Merry]

Odder and odder Merry, surname Grote I wonder if she went overseas and had the two boys, off to see what nationality Grote is xxhugxx

?? There's one son born here Q1 1932.

[LindyTumblethump]

~Ahh ha was talking to the elderly lady today and she happend to mention her Father had a nickname Tiggy. I was searching all births for Wandsworth with just christian names and found this Albert Harold Tuggey 1906 Wandsworth JAS wonder if he was fostered or adopted by the Grote family?? Cert to be bought me thinks. xxhugxx

[LindyTumblethump]

No don't think it is him after all xxhugxx