Which David Wiggins is mine????

[Sue at the seaside]

I'm trying to get my head round David Wiggins b 1845 in Yorkshire,
He married Frances Alderson in 1872 and had children Margaret, Ethel,
David and Elizabeth.
There are 2 David Wiggins in 1851 census, one
living with Grandparents the other with Parents, I can only find one in
1861 but no death for the other one!
There are 2 baptisms one in March 1845 the other in Dec 1845, the
parents in both cases have similar names.
I'm sure "my" David died in 1910 as he is burried at the same place as his wife Frances

How am I going to work out which David and family are "mine"?

[Merry]

I can see the one with grandparents in 1851 but not the other one. Do you have a ref for him?

[ElizabethHerts]

So these are the baptisms?

Name: David Wiggins
Birth Date: 2 Jan 1845
Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral)
Baptism Date: 21 Mar 1845
Father's Name: John Wiggins
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Wiggins

Name: David Wiggins
Parish: Bradford, St James
Baptism Date: 25 Dec 1845
Father's Name: John Wiggins
Mother's Name: Mary Wiggins

[Merry]

Oh I see it now.

[ElizabethHerts]

I can see the one with grandparents in 1851 but not the other one. Do you have a ref for him?


This is the other:
1851 Census
WIGGINS, David
BRADFORD, Yorkshire (West riding)
HO107 piece 2305 folio 71 page 44
WIGGINS, John Head MarriedM 30 1821 Wool Comber Leeds, Yorkshire
WIGGINS, Maria Wife MarriedF 30 1821 Bowling, Yorkshire
WIGGINS, David Son M 5 1846 Bowling, Yorkshire
WIGGINS, Jane Daughter F 1 1850 Bowling, Yorkshire

[ElizabethHerts]

Do you have the marriage certificate?

If so, what was David Wiggins' father's occupation?

[Merry]

At least the fathers occs are completely different on the baps, so you could get the marriage cert for yours and cross your fingers!

[Sue at the seaside]

I don't have the marriage cert, this is a tree I was doing as a wedding gift for someone, I knew there was something I had to do, and that was order the cert! sorry senior moment!!!

[Sue at the seaside]

I do tend to think the first bap could be the one, as a family they seem to have an affinity for the Cathedral.

[ElizabethHerts]

Sue, there are two deaths for a David Wiggins in Bradford that might be the one that's not yours. One in 1863, one in 1864. No ages given, so that's no help.

Assuming the other David died, this must be your David and his parents:

1861 Census
WIGGINS, David
17, Addison Street, Bowling, Bradford
BRADFORD, Yorkshire (West riding)
WIGGINS, John Head Married M 40 1821 Baker Leeds, Yorkshire
WIGGINS, Mary Ann Wife Married F 32 1829 Leicester, Leicestershire
WIGGINS, David Son Unmarried M 15 1846 Bradford, Yorkshire

RG09 piece 3313 folio 42 page 36

[Sue at the seaside]

Elizabeth, That is really useful, why couldn't I find that???

I think that means that the David with the Grandparents is "mine" Mary Ann as the the Mother fits nicely with the earlier baptism, and with William the other Grandson in 1851.

That also fits with all the other trees on Ancestry, just don't like to trust other peoples logic!

Thanks for "talking" through this with me

[Merry]

"must be" might be dangerous when we don't know the ages of the people who died in 1863/4. I just tried the newspapers for death notices and also FMP for an army record for 'yours' with no luck.

[ElizabethHerts]

David is a postman in 1891.

I assume you have Ancestry, so look at this:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=1933&iid=31694_212112-00560&fn=David&ln=Wiggins&st=r&ssrc=&pid=547593

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-g&gsfn=David&gsfn_x=NIC&gsln=Wiggins&msbdy=1844&msbpn__ftp=Yorkshire%2c+England&msbpn=5292&msbpn_PInfo=7-|0|0|3257|3251|0|0|0|5292|0|0|&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=xt1&msbdp=2&cp=11&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=547593&recoff=7+8&db=BritiPSApoint&indiv=1

[ElizabethHerts]

"must be" might be dangerous when we don't know the ages of the people who died in 1863/4. I just tried the newspapers for death notices and also FMP for an army record for 'yours' with no luck.

I know, Merry, but I did qualify it by saying "assuming that" and I wasn't meaning that I did assume, but was using this for the sake of argument.

We really need the information off that marriage certificate. A shame it was North Yorkshire and not West Yorkshire.

[Sue at the seaside]

You are right, I need to get the cert to be sure, I'll order it tomorrow.

I hadn't seen the docs you posted Elizabeth, thanks for those. He varies between postman and Civil servant on the census.

[Merry]

A shame it was North Yorkshire and not West Yorkshire

Exactly! lol

[kiterunner]

He married Frances Alderson in 1872 and had children Margaret, Ethel,
David and Elizabeth.


The marriage looks to have been in 1879.

[kiterunner]

I hadn't seen the docs you posted Elizabeth, thanks for those. He varies between postman and Civil servant on the census.

David Wiggins is a soldier (Sergeant) on the 1881 census. It is definitely him as he is with Frances in Richmond. But I can't find his service record on FMP.

[ElizabethHerts]

I forgot to point out that the marriage was 1879!

[Sue at the seaside]

I forgot to point out that the marriage was 1879!

Most odd, on Ancestry it is listed as 1872, but freebmd 1879. I tend to think the later date is more realistic!

[Merry]

Most odd, on Ancestry it is listed as 1872, but freebmd 1879. I tend to think the later date is more realistic!

That's really strange as Ancestry are supposed to have got their info from FreeBMD. It's not the first time I've seen a difference though.

The entry is 1879 as I checked the Index page.