George Spence MMF

[Janet]

Name - George Spence

Date and place of birth - before 25 Nov 1829, Knaresborough, Yorkshire

Names of parents - William Spence (from two marriage cert.'s) and possibly Ann Scaife

Date and place of baptism - 25 Nov 1829, Knaresborough (IGI extracted record)

Details of each of his or her marriages -

1 Apr 1850 at York RO to Jane Gardner/Gardener b. 1831 Coxwold, Yorks., d. Apr. 1871 Bramley, Yorks.
George is age 20, Bachelor, Profession Groom, Residence South Prospect Street, the Mount, York.
Father William Spence, Labourer.
Jane is age 19, Spinster, Profession Servant, Residence Saint Saviourgate, York.
Her father Thomas Gardner, Labourer.
George makes his mark, Jane signs.
Witnesses Charlotte Burley and Andrew Burley. Both sign.

3 Apr 1872 at Parish Church, Leeds, by Banns to Elizabeth Crampton late Wilson (my ggrandmother) b. 13 Jun 1838 Meanwood, Yorks., d. Sep Qtr 1899 Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorks.
George is age 42, Widower, Profession Coachman, Residence Headingley.
Father William Spence, Waggoner.
Elizabeth is age 34, Widow, Profession [blank], Residence Headingley.
Her father David Crampton, Mason.
This time George signs and Elizabeth signs.
Witnesses James Moore and Jane Moore. Both sign.

Occupation(s) -
1850 - (marriage) Groom
1851 - Groom
1861 - Coachman
1871 - Labourer
1872 - (marriage) Coachman
1881 - Coachman (Unemployed)
1891 - General Labourer
1894 - (daughter Sally's marriage) Laundryman
1900 - (death) Coachman (Domestic)

Military service - not found

Addresses where they lived -
1850 - (marriage) South Prospect Street, the Mount, York
1851 - 36 Dringhouses Manor Cottages
1861 - Elmet Hall, Roundhay, Leeds, home of Mayor James Kitson
1871 - 6 Stanley St., Wortley, Holbeck, Leeds
1872 - (marriage) Headingley, Leeds, Yorks.
1881 - 8 Chapel Square, Headingley, Leeds
1891 - 83 High Malsis, Sutton-in-Craven, Keighley RD
1900 - (death) 5 Chapel Street, Headingley, Leeds, home of daughter Sarah Jane ("Sally"/"Sallie") Saunders nee Spence

Date, place and cause of death - 13 Feb 1900, 5 Chapel Street, Headingley, Leeds, cancer of rectum
J.H. Saunders, Son in Law, present at death

Date and place of burial / cremation - From burial receipt held by family:
the Leeds general cemetery morning service 5s, interment 15s total £1/- paid by JH Saunders grave no 660

Details of will / administration of their estate - unlikely

Memorial inscription - not found

Link to long research thread on George Spence:
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=14134

[Janet]

Forever indebted to my GF friends for the immense help on my long research thread in the link above, which I highly recommend to anyone with any serious curiosity about my George Spence!

[Janet]

I've added the specifics for burial provided by the burial receipt in the possession of my family in England.

[ElizabethHerts]

Janet, the baptism, complete with image, is viewable on FMP. Do you have access to it?

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2f13-0743_gb-yor_parish-r-n-pr-knaresborough-1-9-1825-1837-ca.-1537-1900%2f00058&parentid=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2fbap%2f207481303

First name(s) George
Last name Spence
Baptism year 1829
Baptism date 25 Nov 1829
Baptism place Knaresborough
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Ann
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Archive North Yorkshire County Record Office
Archive reference 1/9
Page 110
Record set Yorkshire Baptisms

William Spence was a Labourer.

[ElizabethHerts]

In 1841 there is a George Spence working as a Male Servant for a farmer, James Waddington, in the Knaresborough district:

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbc%2f1841%2f1287%2f0097&parentid=gbc%2f1841%2f0009556983

This would fit in with George becoming a groom. His age is given as 15, but the ages of the servants are all multiples of 5!


Edit: I don't think this is him now.
See 1841 Census below.

[ElizabethHerts]

There are a William and Ann Spence in Knaresborough producing children in the 1820s. William is a butcher and a publican:

Maria bapt. 6 May 1821 William a publican
William bapt. 19 February 1826 William a Butcher
Robert bapt. 4 April 1830 William a Butcher
Ann bapt. 13 July 1835 Butcher

They appear on the 1841 Census:
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbc%2f1841%2f1285%2f0599&parentid=gbc%2f1841%2f0009550494
with children Maria 20, William 15, Robert 11, Ann 6 and Jane 11 months.
William and Ann both 40. He a butcher.

I'm mentioning them for elimination purposes because I don't think they are your family.

The only other baptism of interest I have found is this:

William bapt. 11 May 1831
This time the father William is a labourer. Also the birth is just 2 years after George's baptism.
They are given as living at Brereton.
For George's entry they are living at "Brearton", so it looks like the same William and Ann.

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2f13-0743_gb-yor_parish-r-n-pr-knaresborough-1-9-1825-1837-ca.-1537-1900%2f00080&parentid=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2fbap%2f207481660

First name(s) William
Last name Spence
Baptism year 1831
Baptism date 11 May 1831
Baptism place Knaresborough
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Ann
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Archive North Yorkshire County Record Office
Archive reference 1/9
Page 155
Record set Yorkshire Baptisms

[ElizabethHerts]

Genuki gives the spelling as Brearton. It is 4 miles north of Knaresborough.

[ElizabethHerts]

The BT image of the marriage of William Spence and Ann Scaife is on FMP, and so are the banns.

First name(s) William
Last name Spence
Birth year -
Residence Newton Upon Ouse
Marriage year 1829
Marriage date 29 Jan 1829
Marriage place Catton
Spouse's first name(s) Ann
Spouse's last name Scaife
Spouse's residence Catton
Country England
County Yorkshire (East Riding)
Archive Borthwick Institute for Archives
Page 37
Record set Yorkshire, bishop's transcripts of marriages

It says George was living at Newton Upon Ouse.
Didn't I see something about Newton on Ouse in the other thread?

[ElizabethHerts]

There is the burial (plus image) of an Ann Spence at Knaresborough in 1833. She is 25, so born c. 1808.

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2f13-0743_gb-yor_parish--n-pr-knaresborough-1-24-1827-1838-ca.-1537-1900%2f00075&parentid=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2fbur%2f204196063

Everyone on the page is given as living at Knaresborough.

[ElizabethHerts]

Just for the record there is a burial of William Spence, aged 3, at Newton upon Ouse, abode Linton upon Ouse. The year is 1834.

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2f007588074%2f00823&parentid=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2fbur%2f201294506


http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2f007588937%2f00029&parentid=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2fbur%2f635101

[ElizabethHerts]

On FMP with images:

Children of James and Margaret Spence baptised at Newton on Ouse:

Mary born 19/8/1801 bapt. 25/8/1801
George born 26/2/1802 bapt. 4/3/1802
Jane born 20/2/1803 bapt. 24/10/1803
William bapt. 6/4/1805 no birth date
James born 13/9/1806 bapt. 17/9/1806
Elizabeth born 271/1807 bapt. 29/11/1807 (Not January)
Thomas born 13/2/1808 bapt. 25/2/1808
Jane born 18/8/1810 bapt. 20/8/1810
Mary born 29/12/1811 bapt. 29/12/1811

No occupation given for James.

[ElizabethHerts]

Is this the second marriage of William Spence, widower, to Elizabeth Burley, widow:

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2f007588519%2f00362&parentid=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2fmar%2f201417372%2f1

First name(s) William
Last name Spence
Birth year -
Marriage year 1837
Marriage date 07 May 1837
Marriage place York, St John
Residence York St John
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Burley
Spouse's residence York St John
County Yorkshire (Ainsty & City of York)
Country England
Archive Borthwick Institute for Archives
Archive reference PR Y/ J 9
Page 58

By banns.
Both of this parish.

Then:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8978/WRYHO107_1352_1354-0158?pid=14997365&backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2f%2fcg i-bin%2fsse.dll%3findiv%3d1%26db%3duki1841%26h%3d149 97365%26tid%3d%26pid%3d%26usePUB%3dtrue%26rhSource %3d8767&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true

1841 Census
William Spence 30 labourer Y
Elizabeth 45 Y
George 12 Y
William 5 Y
Elizabeth 3 Y

Living in York.

[ElizabethHerts]

Two possible deaths for William Spence. The second one is promising with age.

Deaths Mar 1864
SPENCE William
York
9d 5

Deaths Sep 1868
Spence William
64
York 9d 4

[ElizabethHerts]

On FMP with images:

Children of James and Margaret Spence baptised at Newton on Ouse:

Mary born 19/8/1801 bapt. 25/8/1801 died 1801
George born 26/2/1802 bapt. 4/3/1802
Jane born 20/2/1803 bapt. 24/10/1803 died 1804
William bapt. 6/4/1805 no birth date
James born 13/9/1806 bapt. 17/9/1806 died 1807
Elizabeth born 271/1807 bapt. 29/11/1807 (Not January)
Thomas born 13/2/1808 bapt. 25/2/1808
Jane born 18/8/1810 bapt. 20/8/1810
Mary born 29/12/1811 bapt. 29/12/1811 died 1812

No occupation given for James.


Burials with images:

First name(s) Mary
Last name Spence
Age -
Birth year -
Death year 1801
Death date 13 Sep 1801
Burial year 1801
Burial date 15 Sep 1801
Burial place Newton on Ouse
Father's first name(s) James
Mother's first name(s) Margaret
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England
Archive Borthwick Institute for Archives
Archive reference -
Page 54
Record set Yorkshire Burials
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2f007588936%2f00237&parentid=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2fbur%2f634613


First name(s) Jane
Last name Spence
Age -
Birth year -
Death year 1804
Death date 20 Apr 1804
Burial year 1803
Burial date 21 Apr 1804
Burial place Newton on Ouse
Father's first name(s) James
Mother's first name(s) Margaret
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England
Archive Borthwick Institute for Archives
Archive reference -
Page 55
Record set Yorkshire Burials
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2f007588936%2f00237&parentid=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2fbur%2f634651


First name(s) James
Last name Spence
Age -
Birth year -
Death year 1807
Death date 21 Jul 1807
Burial year 1807
Burial date 26 Jul 1807
Burial place Newton on Ouse
Father's first name(s) James
Mother's first name(s) Margaret
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England
Archive Borthwick Institute for Archives
Archive reference -
Page 56
Record set Yorkshire Burials
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2fbur%2f634703

First name(s) Mary
Last name Spence
Age 9M
Birth year 1812
Burial year 1812
Burial date 10 Aug 1812
Burial place Newton on Ouse
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England
Archive Borthwick Institute for Archives
Archive reference -
Page 58
Record set Yorkshire Burials

[ElizabethHerts]

George Spence, born 1802.

Possible marriage:
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2f007588936%2f00461&parentid=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2fmar%2f499672%2f1

First name(s) George
Last name Spence
Birth year -
Marriage year 1824
Marriage date 25 Nov 1824
Marriage place Newton on Ouse
Residence Newton Upon Ouse
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah
Spouse's last name Banes
Spouse's residence Newton Upon Ouse
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England
Archive Borthwick Institute for Archives
Page 22

[ElizabethHerts]

A possible marriage for Elizabeth Spence:

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Spence
Birth year -
Marriage year 1829
Marriage date 05 Jan 1829
Marriage place Newton on Ouse
Residence Newton Upon Ouse
Spouse's first name(s) John
Spouse's last name Watson
Spouse's residence Bolton Percy
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England
Archive Borthwick Institute for Archives
Page 31
Record set Yorkshire Marriages

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2fmar%2f499698%2f2

[Janet]

I trust you already saw my email response earlier today, Elizabeth. Thank you so much for all your efforts. It's going on midnight now and I'm going cross-eyed!There's an awful lot of material here to work through. I knew that a lot had appeared online since the last time I worked on George Spence, but I didn't realize just how much. I'll post what I've looked at so far. I'm trying to move slowly and carefully, incorporating new finds into my tree as I go.

The numbers refer to your post numbers.

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#4

Janet, the baptism, complete with image, is viewable on FMP.

Yes, I have FMP currently and had not noticed that this old post refers only to IGI. Thanks, Elizabeth!

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#5

In 1841 there is a George Spence working as a Male Servant for a farmer, James Waddington, in the Knaresborough district:

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbc%2f1841%2f1287%2f0097&parentid=gbc%2f1841%2f0009556983

This would fit in with George becoming a groom. His age is given as 15, but the ages of the servants are all multiples of 5!

Edit: I don't think this is him now.
See 1841 Census below.

That's very interesting, Elizabeth. I agree that it's definitely him in York on the 1841 in your post #12. But this makes me wonder if he could have been enumerated twice. It wouldn't be the last time he lied about his age, and anyway they would have rounded his age on the 1841 so maybe not even a lie. I did have another child counted twice, once with her mother and stepfather, and again with her maternal grandparents a couple blocks down the road.

Have not tried to trace this one forward or back, so for now it will remain an intriguing speculation.

I did notice on one of the censuses that there was a Waddington who was a close neighbor of my Spences. Could be a total red herring.

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#6

There are so many Spences! I agree with you that the William and Ann Spence the butcher/publican are not mine.

That other William baptized 11 May 1831 does look like a possible sibling to my George.


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#8

I had not seen this marriage of William Spence and Ann Scaife, so thank you very much for that, Elizabeth. Yes, the Spence family were in Newton upon Ouse.

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