James Hanmore (OH-FFF)

[Sue at the seaside]

Would really appreciate any help possible with this man, x:)


Name - "official" name and what they were known as
James Hanmore

Date and place of birth
Ightham, Kent abt 1841 - this info is from the only census record I've found for him -1871

Names of parents
No idea

Date and place of baptism - if applicable
Not found

Details of each of his or her marriages - if any
No marriage found, but was having children with Elizabeth Higgs c 1861

Occupation(s) - if any
Farm labourer

Military service - if any
None found

Addresses where they lived - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on.
1841- Not found
1851- Not found
1861- Not found
1871- Hale St, East Peckham, Kent

Date, place and cause of death
19th April 1872, Hale St, East Peckham, Kent. Chronic phthisis, exhaustion.

Date and place of burial / cremation.
Not found

Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
Memorial inscription - if any

[kiterunner]

On the 1871 census, James and Elizabeth's oldest son is James Hanmore age 10 born Yalding, Kent. Have you found a birth registration and / or baptism for him, Sue?

Ah, is he James Henry Anmore whose birth was registered Jan-Mar 1861 Maidstone district?

[Sue at the seaside]

On the 1871 census, James and Elizabeth's oldest son is James Hanmore age 10 born Yalding, Kent. Have you found a birth registration and / or baptism for him, Sue?

Ah, is he James Henry Anmore whose birth was registered Jan-Mar 1861 Maidstone district?

I've not got birth reg for all of the children and not got baptisms for any of them!

Off to have a look at that suggested birth, that surname spelling is certainly a possibility!

While looking for James Anmore, I came across George Enmore (grandfather!) born in Malling, which is definately the right area, Off to order that cert NOW RESULT:D

[kiterunner]

I see that East Peckham is included in the missing pieces of the 1861 census, so we may never find them on that one.

[Sue at the seaside]

I see that East Peckham is included in the missing pieces of the 1861 census, so we may never find them on that one.

I'd never realised that, I just thought the family were "flighty"

[Sue at the seaside]

Just thought I'd add, I've got the birth cert for George, James' son, OH Grandfather after the insipration from Kate, and sure enough George Hanmore's birth cert is written as George Enmore. So that's one problem solved!

But all inspirational messages re James Hanmore/Anmore/Enmore gratefully received. (or his wife Jane Higgs!)

[Sue at the seaside]

Just thought I add something here, just in case it inspires anyone.....
We were at M-I-Ls 100th birthday gathering at the weekend and got chatting to a second cousin who I've only met in passing before, she was fascinated to find someone interested in the family and as she had lived with her grandmother, has a wealth of information on all sorts of people! Just as I was about to mention this man, she said "George's father had a rough time" It seems that James ran away from home when he was about 8, he was being sent up chimneys, and wasn't having any of that so ran away and never went back to the family. No wonder we haven't ever been able to find them!
But this has had me looking for Hanmore's that were chimney sweeps, there are some in Chichester.
So, what's the chance that James is not really a Hanmore, or doesn't come from Kent???

[kiterunner]

Right, so on the 1851 census there is a Charles Hanmore in Chichester who is a chimney sweep masters, born Kent with a son James age 4 born Chichester, and then in 1861 Charles is 49 born Chichester and James is 14. But that James is too young to be yours. Could be related, though.
In 1841 Charles is in Chichester with his wife Emma and they don't have a James then.

[Sue at the seaside]

I've found the James from this family living in 1871 in Chichester, as a sweep. My James is in Kent with "wife" and children by then, so definitely not my James, but an interesting family!
Also an interesting slant is that when James died, his wife married a sweep!

[James18]

No luck finding James prior to 1871, Sue. I tried searching by forename and place of birth without a surname, and cross-checked a number of possible candidates, but I was able to locate them elsewhere.

Births Mar 1861
ANMORE James Henry Maidstone 2a 458

Births Jun 1863
HANMORE Hannah Malling 2a 407

Births Jun 1865
ENMORE George Malling 2A 442

Births Dec 1868
HANMORE Elizabeth Jane Malling 2a 514

Deaths Dec 1867
Hanmore William 0 Malling 2a 268

I hope these are of some use, at least. I assume James Henry is the son James from the 1871 census, as the age and location look about right. No mother's maiden name, however. The others are all Higgs, I think.

I'll have another look for you tomorrow. :)

[Merry]

This is bugging me, so I'm adding it here although I don't have the whole story and it may be a complete red-herring in any case.....

I noticed that Elizabeth Higgs/Hanmore/Saxby seemed very convinced of her age and birthplace across the censuses 1871-1901 inc - 1842/3 at Yalding Kent. However, like her "husband" James Hanmore, she is nowhere to be seen in the name Higgs in 1851. There is also no baptism for her at Yalding and no birth reg for her in Maidstone District and there is only one Higgs GRO entry in Maidstone district at all in the first three decades of civil registration. There are also no Higgs GRO entries in Malling District until 1880.

Next I was thinking about the birth reg that Kate and James posted:

ANMORE, JAMES HENRY mmn -
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in MAIDSTONE Volume 02A Page 458

So, this suggests that the birth was registered as illegitimate, but that somehow Elizabeth's name was given as Anmore rather than Higgs. I could see how this might have happened, if she was asked her name before they asked if she was married and she gave James's surname but then got caught out by the following questions. Seemed reasonable enough until I saw this:

Elizabeth Hanmore bap 22 Jun 1842 at Yalding, Kent, parents Robert and Anne

So, I wondered if, for some reason, James had ended up taking Elizabeth's name rather than the other way round, or some other convolution I've not thought of yet?!! If Hanmore was Elizabeth's name (and I still can't find her in 1851 no matter what I try!) or one of Elizabeth's names, then the 1861 birth reg for James Henry would be completed correctly.

However, I have not been able to find anything else about Robert and Ann Hanmore and have looked at lots of other entries for couples called Robert and Ann to no avail. I also wondered if Higgs and Hanmore were both names connected to Elizabeth as I did see this:

HIGGS, ANN aged 42
GRO Reference: 1845 D Quarter in MAIDSTONE Volume 05 Page 217

That is the only Higgs entry in Maidstone district until 1870 and as it is Ann, I wondered if she is the same person as Ann Hanmore at the baptism? I can't see this Ann Higgs in 1841 either (or Ann or Robert Hanmore!)


So, I've been going round in circles for some time .........

[kiterunner]

Do we know for sure that Sue is still stuck on this one?

[Merry]

No, I didn't notice it was an old post, I just followed on from James.

If she has the answer then I'd like to hear it lol!