John Carr

[Asa]

I have a John Carr, carpenter, born Pancras, Middlesex c1807 (1851) married to Elizabeth with six children all born in Pancras - Harriet Ann 1833, John 1835, Daniel c1836, Charles c1844, David c1849 and Edward c1850. The 1841 census gives John as aged 30 born Middlesex.

I've been looking at this for so long I've lost all perspective but how likely do you think it is that he's John Carr born 19 Feb 1811 and baptised 28 Jul 1811 St George Bloomsbury son of Daniel (carpenter) and Elizabeth with siblings Mary Ann Elizabeth, John, Elizabeth, Margaret, Daniel, James and David?

[JessBow]

Quite, i'd say, although I cant quantify why! Daniel wasn't that common a name, fisrt bon son after himself, then 2nd after his father?

[Asa]

Thanks Jess - those are the lines I'm thinking along too. Also same trade, right area and the name David isn't that common either - I don't think the age being a few years of the 1851 is very important?

If this was a village I'd be more content but there's always more doubt when it's a city:-)

[Merry]

Does seem good, and is probably right, but just in case you haven't see this alternative, which I don't have the time to try and exclude......

I looked for some of the children in 1861, realy looking for the parents to see their ages. Didn't find any of the youngest ones, but didn't really lok properly as no time.

Did find a possible for Charles (7 in 1851) as a nephew of Frederick Carr (38) cabinet maker in 1861. Charles was listed as 19 though, with only Middlesex for birthplace, so could very easily be a different Charles. Frederick Carr very likely married Elizabeth Mills in 1845 and his father was Louis Carr (dyer). There's a bap for Frederick in 1822 in Shoreditch. Frederick had a brother, John bap at St Luke's Finsbury, Islington in 1813. Names of other siblings, Charles Daniel, Mary, George Henry.

Perhaps you have found your John Carr's family in 1861 already, so these imposters can be excluded?!!

[Asa]

Merry thank you for looking - I am just about to get ready for the Remembrance service so will have to look at this properly later but as far as I can tell, the Carrs are missing from the 1861 - I think they're from that bit around Grays Inn Lane and I know there's a great swathe of that missing. I don't find John and Elizabeth with any certainty again but I have the fates of Harriet, John, Charles and David.

[Merry]

Is David on the 1871 aged 21, married to Eliza?

I looked quickly for him again in 1861 (with more confidence when looking for a living person!). There's a Daniel (14) and David (11) Carey (written with that spelling) in an industrial school in St Pancras, who might be from your family.

[Asa]

Yes that's David. He's later married to Jane and dies Holborn 1882 - their daughter appears as a witness to Charles' daughter's marriage. I've looked at those brothers before and can't remember what conclusion I came to so will have to revisit!

[Asa]

Ah - David and Daniel are sons of Peter and Mary in Pancras in 1851 - and my Daniel would be in his mid twenties in 1861

[Merry]

my Daniel would be in his mid twenties in 1861

So he would! I had knocked ten years off his age somewhere along the line!!

[Asa]

Thanks for your help, Merry - Frederick's nephew is I think Charles John Carr, son of Charles Daniel and Ann - he's a cabinet maker in 1861 and in 1864 when he marries at St John of Jerusalem Hackney so isn't mine.

[Merry]

Good :)