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BlueSavannah
22-10-12, 08:11
Morning All,

Hoping someone may be able to help with another Jones in my tree.

Henry Jones was born in Sheffield in 1846 to Henry Jones, Silversmith/Schoolmaster/Silversmith again & Ann formerly Cutts.

I have him on the 51 and 61 census with his parents. On the 61, they are in Norton near Sheffield (classed as Derbyshire) and was 15; no occupation given.

I then cannot locate him until I find he married a Fanny Jane Mathew in London on the 24th February 1873. On this marriage, he appears to have acquired the middle name of Marshall (this is his grandmother's maiden name). On the marriage cert, he is down as a bachelor; however, the banns that took place in Clerkenwell & Shoreditch both state that he was a widower.

I have him on all census after this marriage.

I cannot locate him on the 1871 census. I would really appreciate some help to try and find him on this census and also if there is a possible first wife.

I will add a note that Henry deserted his 2nd wife and children on two occasions in 1886 & 1887. He must have always gone back to them as they are with him on the 1881-1901 census, though they are living seperately on the 1911 census. I do wonder if he deserted a first wife somewhere and took himself off to London adding the middle name for himself.
kiterunner
22-10-12, 08:55
What is his occuption on the marriage cert and on those later censuses, please, Claire?
BlueSavannah
22-10-12, 08:57
He was a Lithographic Printer :)
Merry
22-10-12, 09:12
What was Henry junr's occupation?
Merry
22-10-12, 09:12
lol A bit slow typing there!!
BlueSavannah
22-10-12, 09:17
lol Merry, I thought I had added Henry Jnr's occ to the original post and hadnt. Pregnancy brain is back :(
Merry
22-10-12, 09:41
Oooh, I got a little distracted by finding them in 1881 living in the road behind where I used to work in about 1989-1993!
BlueSavannah
22-10-12, 09:45
Thats a lovely coincidence Merry :)

Henry & Fanny did seem to move around quite a bit when you look at the birth places of their 7 children. Norton Woodseats is common though as that is where Henry's parents and 2 siblings still are.
kiterunner
22-10-12, 09:59
I'm having no luck finding him. Maybe he will turn up when findmypast / FamilySearch have indexed the occupations for the 1871 census.
BlueSavannah
22-10-12, 10:09
I really appreciating you trying Kate. I didnt realise that FMP/FS were indexing the occupations for the 71 census.
Merry
22-10-12, 10:17
Oooh, nor did I!! I'll look forward to that!
Shona
22-10-12, 10:27
Here's a Henry Jones, lithographic printer, living in Sheffield with a wife and daughter.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7619&iid=WRYRG10_4690_4692-0057&fn=Henry&ln=Jones&st=r&ssrc=&pid=28467001
kiterunner
22-10-12, 10:31
Oh well done, Shona! I didn't look for people born in Derbyshire!
BlueSavannah
22-10-12, 10:36
Thank you so much Shona :D

I think that birth place says Middleton. Henry's father Henry was a certified schoolmaster (allegedly certified :rolleyes: ) in Stoney Middleton between 1852c and 1859.

Well, this looks to verify the banns of his marriage to Fanny. I am wondering about that daughter though, says she is 16 which would make him 10 when he had her :confused:
Shona
22-10-12, 10:39
Thank you so much Shona :D

I think that birth place says Middleton. Henry's father Henry was a certified schoolmaster (allegedly certified :rolleyes: ) in Stoney Middleton between 1852c and 1859.

Well, this looks to verify the banns of his marriage to Fanny. I am wondering about that daughter though, says she is 16 which would make him 10 when he had her :confused:

Furrowed my brow at the age of the daughter, too! Poss enumerator forgot to put 'months' after 16.
Merry
22-10-12, 10:45
That's great Shona!

Is this him?

Marriages Dec 1866
DODD David Sheffield 9c 691
Hirst Emily J Sheffield 9c 691
Jones Henry Sheffield 9c 691
Whittaker Mary F Sheffield 9c 691

There are other Whittikers listed above Henry and Mary. What does it say for Henry's relation to head?
Merry
22-10-12, 10:48
1861:

1861 census Whittaker family (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=WRYRG9_3479_3482-0402&fn=Martha&ln=Ashmore&st=r&ssrc=&pid=11521140)
Merry
22-10-12, 10:50
The ages are a bit vague, but it would seem Hannah is the child of Frances Whittaker (or at least of Mr W) and sister of Mary rather than Mary's child! I think Frances is the head in 1871 not Henry Jones.
BlueSavannah
22-10-12, 10:54
I cant read properly the relation of Henry to the Whittakers but it doesnt say head. I just noticed the 'daughter' has works in her occupation so guessed she wasnt Henry's child.

Wonder what became of the first wife, did he desert her too mmm.

I wonder why he decided to make up a middle name after going to London.
Shona
22-10-12, 10:55
Frances Whittaker is the head of household in 1871. I can't decipher the writing relating to Henry's relationship to Frances, though.
BlueSavannah
22-10-12, 10:56
I now cant see any ancestry images so having to find everything on FMP now :mad:
Shona
22-10-12, 10:57
Haven't yet been able to find a death for Mary Jones.
BlueSavannah
22-10-12, 11:03
That really doesnt suprise me Shona, nothing suprises me anymore with my Jones'

I wonder if she went to London with him, or he went after she died, or he left her. If she hasnt died, then he lied on his banns to Fanny and he is actually a bigamist.
Shona
22-10-12, 11:16
Haven't yet been able to find a death for Mary Jones. There are a number which could be a match in London. Might try searching forward for Mary Jones and the Whittakers to see if they appear in the 1881 census.
Merry
22-10-12, 11:55
I feel Frances Whittaker must have died between 1871 and 1881 though I don't think I saw a reg. In 1881 we have what I presume are her two sisters (Martha Ashmore was with the Whittakers in 1861 and 1871 as a lodger) and the two younger children, Fanny and John Wm here:

1881 census (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7572&iid=WRYRG11_4633_4635-0594&fn=Martha+R.&ln=Ashmore&st=r&ssrc=&pid=25479189)
BlueSavannah
22-10-12, 12:26
Thank you Merry.
BlueSavannah
22-10-12, 12:35
This could be just a coincidence, but there is a birth of a Henry Marshall Jones in the June Q 1871 in the district of Chorlton, Lancs.

There is also a death of a Mary Frances Jones in the same district in the June Q 1872.

I noticed on the marriage entry of Henry to Mary, she was Mary F.
Merry
22-10-12, 12:38
There is also a death of a Mary Frances Jones in the same district in the June Q 1872

I saw that, but never looked for a birth, though I was going to!! Her birth in 1848 is Mary Frances :)
BlueSavannah
22-10-12, 12:41
Its looking promising. He did end up all over the country with his second wife so no suprise at all if he went to Lancashire with the first wife. If it is her, then her age of 26 on the 71 census was quite out.
Merry
22-10-12, 12:44
She should have been 22 or 23 on the 1871 according to her birth reg and she was 12 in 1861. I don't think we can worry about her age at death too much if she was registered by her husband. :o
Merry
22-10-12, 12:46
If she died just short of her birthday then her age at death is correct!
BlueSavannah
22-10-12, 12:49
Its all looking good and promising. :)
Merry
22-10-12, 14:22
Oh dear, the IGI says the parents of Henry Marshall Jones bap 18th May 1871 at St Mark's Hulme were Thomas and Emily! Whoops!!
BlueSavannah
22-10-12, 15:00
ah, there goes that theory, and it was all looking so good. I cant see any other likely death for Mary so maybe she didnt die, maybe Henry is a bigamist :o