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vallee
17-10-12, 20:40
Have a James FALLON born abt 1826 Newington cannot find him in 1851

He marries in 1858 Southwark Surrey to a Julia Gibbons and says widower ? Greengrocer.

Can anybody find either a marriage for him between 1841 and 1858 or him in 1851 ? either with or without a wife thanks .
Joy Dean
17-10-12, 21:21
Is he the James Fallon that was christened 15 March 1829, son of James and Catherine?

There is a possible marriage September qr 1845 to a Margaret Conner in South Shields. They are in Durham in 1851 but he has a different occupation.
vallee
17-10-12, 21:35
ooh mine had parents James and Mary , I haven't found his baptism thanks for looking Joy
Joy Dean
17-10-12, 21:45
You're welcome.
How do you know his Mum is Mary, Vallee?
vallee
17-10-12, 21:55
To be honest Joy I suppose I dont ,its just thats the names in the 1841 census I hadn't thought maybe Mary wasn't his mother ? got me wondering now , and thanks for that marriage .
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8978&iid=SRYHO107_1064_1064-0056&fn=James&ln=Fallow&st=r&ssrc=pt_t6737403_p1681800850_kpidz0q3d1681800850z0 q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgPLz0q3dpid&pid=10242095
vallee
17-10-12, 22:10
just had a look at that baptism that Father James was a Attorneys clerk so dont think hes mine? but thanks for looking
Merry
17-10-12, 22:26
What happened to James and Julia after the 1858 marriage?
Joy Dean
17-10-12, 22:38
Are you sure that James was from London?

Just wondering -in 1861
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=SRYRG9_339_342-0457&fn=James&ln=Fallow&st=r&ssrc=&pid=6212043

His age is mistranscribed. There is a sister (in-law) with the surname Gibbons.
Joy Dean
17-10-12, 22:50
1871? http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7619&iid=LNDRG10_616_618-0172&fn=James&ln=Fallon&st=r&ssrc=&pid=5371917

Maybe, maybe not, ages are odd.
vallee
17-10-12, 22:54
I hadnt found that 1861 census so thanks for that it does seem to be him ? I know he went out to Iowa with Julia and family he is a worker at a saw mill ? in 1880 but dont know when he went .
So it looks like he was born in ireland then ? thanks very much.
vallee
17-10-12, 23:01
oh the ages are way out aren't they even in the 1861 ? wonder if this is a different couple ? although its very coincidental
Merry
18-10-12, 06:23
I think the James who married Julia Gibbons is the father of your James you have aged 15 in 1841. James senr being married to Mary at that time. They (James senr and Mary and then James senr and Julia) are at Kings St Newington in 1841, 51 and 1861. I think this is Mary's death:


Deaths Mar 1855
Fallon Mary Newington 1d 180

The family where the father was an attorney's clerk were in Chelsea in 1841 so I presume they are the wrong family and it's the Newington ones you are after?

I guess it's likely Mary Fallon who ded in 1855 is the mother of your James, but without a baptism for him we can't be sure.
Merry
18-10-12, 06:35
To establish Mary's maiden name you could get the birth cert for one of her children. Matthew is aged 9 and 'son' in 1851:


Births Jun 1842
Fallon Matthew Newington 4 347
Merry
18-10-12, 06:41
When Matthew marries Caroline Louisa Davies in 1869 he also says his father was a grocer. :D Perhaps grocer/greengrocer was James senr's occ before he came to England?
Merry
18-10-12, 07:10
Erm, the James Fallon in Iowa in 1880 says he was born in Ireland!!

And the James born in Newington may have died:

Deaths Dec 1858
Fallon James Newington 1d 161

so are we on completey the wrong track?!!
kiterunner
18-10-12, 07:50
FamilySearch has a marriage for Bridget Fallon 31 Oct 1899 at Keokuk, Lee, Iowa, to a William Morgan. Her age is given as 20 and her parents' names are James Fallon and Julia Summerly. (One of the children on that 1880 census is Bridget age 1.)
vallee
18-10-12, 11:41
Thanks everyone for your input looks like I have been following the wrong James Fallon then? will send for that Cert thanks Merry
Merry
18-10-12, 12:16
will send for that Cert thanks Merry

Which one? Surely you don't need any of the ones I've posted about?!
vallee
18-10-12, 12:32
was talking about Matthews one ?? but now I have re assessed my tree you are all right I added Julia to the wrong James Fallon, so have almost sorted them now thanks again
Merry
18-10-12, 12:41
Oh, I thought the people in America were yours! lol Sorry.
vallee
18-10-12, 13:11
I dont think they are now ?
Merry
18-10-12, 13:33
No, I see that now. I thought you were going backwards from the people in America and had landed in Newington!!