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Merry
16-10-12, 09:57
BK6 updated from this thread


Well, I haven't got anywhere yet :o

I'm trying to sort out Mary Renyard, but she is not giving in easily! If you don't want to read all this rubbish below, just see if you can find unmarried Ann Renyard in 1871, b about 1824 in Beaulieu Hampshire.

The story:

Twin sisters, Mary and Ann Renyard, were baptised in June 1824 in Beaulieu, Hampshire, daughters of Stephen and Mary Renyard.

Ann never married and died in 1886.

Mary married Wm Henry Alexander in 1854 at St Marylebone. In 1861 she and her husband are at 14 Hanover Place, St Geo Hanover Sq, Middlesex, along with Mary's twin, Ann Renyard:

RG 9; Piece: 40; Folio: 53; Page: 9

Mary Alexander and her twin, Ann Renyard in 1861 (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=MDXRG9_40_41-0100&fn=Henry&ln=Alexander&st=r&ssrc=&pid=208222)

Wm Henry Alexander died in 1869 in St Geo Hanover Sq district.

In 1871 I can't find Ann Renyard or Mary Alexander.

In 1881 the twins are here, but Mary is now widow Edwards:

RG11; Piece: 135; Folio: 121; Page: 7

Mary Edwards and her twin, Ann Renyard in 1881 (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=7572&path=London.Marlebone.ALL.11a.10&sid=&gskw=Mary+(Twin)+Edwards)

So, who was Mr Edwards? I looked for an Alexander to Edwards marriage without any luck, but before I found the 1881 census record I got very bogged down with these marriage records:

Marriages Sep 1870
ALEXANDER Mary St Geo H.Sq 1a 513
CURTIS Constance Laura St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 513
Gunston Henry Cecil St Geo Han Sq 1a 513
JAMES Joseph St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 513
Reeve Charles St Geo Han Sq 1a 513
Robey Sarah Mary St Geo Han Sq 1a 513

In 1870 there should only be four names to the page, so something is amiss. I don't think these marriages are in the LMA ones or on the IGI. From other records I have established Curtis married Gunston and Reeve married Robey, but I don't know if James definitely married Alexander. If he did, then perhaps that isn't my Mary Alexander as I've had no joy with the 1871 census. Once I'd seen the 1881 census I tried Mary James to Edwards marriages, but there were several, mostly in the 'wrong' place, but I think I gave up with that a bit!

I hoped Ann Renyard would be with her sister in 1871, but I can't find her at all. I'm hoping this could be the key, or partial key to what happened to Mary.
Shona
16-10-12, 10:05
Your link to 1861 says 1871!
Merry
16-10-12, 10:10
Does it! lol Can't say I'm surprised!! Just going back to look. thanks Shona :)
Merry
16-10-12, 10:11
That's better!
Shona
16-10-12, 10:43
Do you have Mary's death cert?
kiterunner
16-10-12, 10:46
Oooh, FMP has an Ann Reynard age 41 born Hampshire, visitor to a Joseph and Mary James! I'll try to find it on ancestry and post a link...
Merry
16-10-12, 10:47
No, as I only found her in 1881 this morning! Good point though.

I expect there will be a lot to choose from though.
kiterunner
16-10-12, 10:47
Here goes...

James family in 1871 (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7619&iid=LNDRG10_162_165-0144&fn=George+R&ln=James&st=d&ssrc=&pid=298846)
Merry
16-10-12, 10:48
Oooh, FMP has an Ann Reynard age 41 born Hampshire, visitor to a Joseph and Mary James! I'll try to find it on ancestry and post a link...

Stop being a smart-alec Kate!!! You are supposed to leave it at least a few hours before you find them!!!!!
Merry
16-10-12, 10:50
How come when I looked at FMP 1871 there were no Ann Renyards at all???!!!!!!

Thanks you very much though. :D

Now, if you could just sort out the right marriage to Mr Edwards :)
kiterunner
16-10-12, 10:50
Sorry, Merry! I've got to go shopping in a few mins so thought I would get them out of the way quick...
kiterunner
16-10-12, 10:51
How come when I looked at FMP 1871 there were no Ann Renyards at all???!!!!!!



She is down as Reynard.
Merry
16-10-12, 10:52
Oh, because FMP couldn't cope with the letter reversal lol
Merry
16-10-12, 10:53
Beaulieu = Boarthren

That's a new one! My favourite is Beanfield for Beaulieu!
maggie_4_7
16-10-12, 10:57
Marriages Sep 1870
ALEXANDER Mary St Geo H.Sq 1a 513
CURTIS Constance Laura St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 513
Gunston Henry Cecil St Geo Han Sq 1a 513
JAMES Joseph St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 513
Reeve Charles St Geo Han Sq 1a 513
Robey Sarah Mary St Geo Han Sq 1a 513



So on the 1871 census Joseph James is Mary's second husband so by 1881 she married again to a man named Edwards?
Merry
16-10-12, 10:59
Indeed!

Many of the Renyards didn't bother with too much formality, so that might be why I can't see an obvious marriage.
Shona
16-10-12, 11:18
So we need to find out when Joseph James died.
kiterunner
16-10-12, 12:10
So we need to find out when Joseph James died.

If his age of 46 in 1871 is right then the most likely death is Jul-Sep 1880 Westminister, age 57, but that wouldn't leave much time for Mary to remarry and be widowed again before the 1881 census. Or maybe he could be the one who died Jan-Mar 1878 St Saviour age 56.
kiterunner
16-10-12, 12:13
I was just checking for Joseph on previous censuses to see if his dob matched the 1871 entry (which it did) - Merry, you didn't mention that he was Henry and Mary's lodger in 1861!!! :d
Shona
16-10-12, 12:14
If his age of 46 in 1871 is right then the most likely death is Jul-Sep 1880 Westminister, age 57, but that wouldn't leave much time for Mary to remarry and be widowed again before the 1881 census. Or maybe he could be the one who died Jan-Mar 1878 St Saviour age 56.

I thought the same thing when I saw the 1880 death, but Mary's first husband died in 1869 and she remarried in 1870.
Merry
16-10-12, 12:17
Oooh if you look at the 1861 census I posted originally, Joseph James is a lodger in the house of the Alexanders! He is unmarried.

In 1871 there's a son called George R(obert) James aged 8 living with Joseph and Mary who I had imagined was a child from a previous marriage for Joseph, but now I'm wondering if Mary had a child with the lodger?!!
Merry
16-10-12, 12:18
I was just checking for Joseph on previous censuses to see if his dob matched the 1871 entry (which it did) - Merry, you didn't mention that he was Henry and Mary's lodger in 1861!!! :d

Snap!
Merry
16-10-12, 12:22
I thought the same thing when I saw the 1880 death, but Mary's first husband died in 1869 and she remarried in 1870.

Mary may have been with James already and just waiting for Wm Henry Alexander to die before marrying. :(
Shona
16-10-12, 12:52
Wonder if they were identical twins?
Merry
16-10-12, 13:09
lol Shona! That would confuse things even more!!
kiterunner
16-10-12, 14:09
Deceased Online has a burial for Joseph James 31 Jul 1880 at St Pancras Cemetery. I don't know whether the full entry would give enough info to tell whether it is the right person.
Shona
16-10-12, 14:51
Blimey - so she is widowed, remarried and widowed again, all in less than a year!
Merry
16-10-12, 15:14
I haven't paid to look at that burial, but it does seem to be the most likely. However, I have now looked at all sorts of marriage records between then and the 1881 census but turned up nothing! Perhaps Mary lived with Mr Edwards before her husband died but they hadn't got round to marrying when Mr Edwards died, or maybe Mr Edwards died before Joseph did. Pity it's such a common surname, as I can't pin down Mary's death either.
Shona
16-10-12, 16:39
I haven't paid to look at that burial, but it does seem to be the most likely. However, I have now looked at all sorts of marriage records between then and the 1881 census but turned up nothing! Perhaps Mary lived with Mr Edwards before her husband died but they hadn't got round to marrying when Mr Edwards died, or maybe Mr Edwards died before Joseph did. Pity it's such a common surname, as I can't pin down Mary's death either. Perhaps he was the lodger?
Merry
16-10-12, 17:00
Did Mary get a feeling of déjà vu?!!