Caroline Anon (Saunders)

[borobabs]

Im wondering if anyone can shed light on what is Carolines maiden name do I can look for her family

She was born abt 1790
Married abt 1817 in Wolverhampton
Death 1825
Burial maybe Feb 825 but I dont think this is right as as there was a birth Catherine i 1836

Help please :confused:

[kiterunner]

Think we will need to read back through this thread first, Babs:
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=7037

[borobabs]

Cheers Kate so I havnt progressed very far at all

[kiterunner]

Ooh, FreeREG has that 1825 burial and it looks likely to be her because the age is 29. It looks likely that Catherine had a different mother.

[borobabs]

Cheers Kate is that named as Sauders or Sanders ???

[kiterunner]

Sanders.

[borobabs]

Yes had it but thought you may have found it with Saunders ;;;
thanks for looking Kate your a good un

[Merry]

So we need to find more about these people (partly copied from other thread)

1841: Horseley Fields, Wolverhampton, Staffs

James Sanders 43 Guilder Not b in County
James SandersJunr 11 Yes
William Sanders 20 Yes
George Sanders 18 Yes
Ann Sanders 7 Yes
Catherine Sanders 5 Yes

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 999; Book: 8; Civil Parish: Wolverhampton; County: Staffordshire; Enumeration District: 15; Folio: 10; Page: 12; Line: 3; GSU roll: 474627

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8978&iid=STSHO107_998_999-0372&fn=James&ln=Sanders&st=r&ssrc=&pid=13983692

1851: 17 St James Sq, Wolverhampton, Staffs

James Saunders head m 57 carver and guilder journeyman b Dudley, Worcs
Sarah Saunders wife m 48 b Olbury, Staffs
James Saunders son unm 19 b Wolverhampton

Class: HO107; Piece: 2019; Folio: 349; Page: 27; GSU roll: 87422-87423.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8860&iid=STSHO107_2018_2019-0705&fn=James&ln=Sanders&st=d&ssrc=&pid=8534059

The older children had mother Caroline who was buried in 1825.

Aha! I thought that the FamilySearch pilot site would treat Saunders and Sanders as close matches, but now I've realised it doesn't always, I've found these baptisms at St Peter Wolverhampton:
William Sanders 26 Dec 1820, parents James and Caroline
George Saunders 9 Jul 1823, parents James and Caroline

But then it gets a bit confusing looking for baptisms for the other children from the 1841 census entry - James jnr about 1829-30, Ann about 1833-4 and Catherine about 1835-6. There are two possible baptisms for James jnr, one with a mother Catherine and the other with a mother Maria, and a possible for Catherine in 1836 with mother Ann.

Then neither of those 1851 families quite fits with the 1841 family!



So,, I wonder when Sarah came along? If he married her after 1837 then the marriage cert would provide James's father's details.

[Merry]

But then it gets a bit confusing looking for baptisms for the other children from the 1841 census entry - James jnr about 1829-30, Ann about 1833-4 and Catherine about 1835-6. There are two possible baptisms for James jnr, one with a mother Catherine and the other with a mother Maria, and a possible for Catherine in 1836 with mother Ann.



The baps with mother Catherine and mother Catherine Ann may be (not investigated yet) the children of this carriers clerk (1861 below) so not the right James.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=STSRG9_1992_1994-0393&fn=James&ln=Saunders&st=d&ssrc=&pid=20258359

[Merry]

Look here for the baps at St Peters and you will see some where father is James Sa(u)nders where gilder is the occ. Don't have time to type them out now.

[borobabs]

Lo would have Merry but you didnt leave the link to it ;;;ok will get it later

[kiterunner]

It will be on here:

http://www.wolverhamptonhistory.org.uk/resources/indexes

Wolverhampton St Peters Baptisms 1813-1875 Surnames M-Ti
Eliza Saunders 10 Nov 1818 dau of James and Caroline, gilder
William Sanders 26 Dec 1820 son of James and Caroline, gilder
George Saunders 9 Jul 1823 son of James and Caroline gilder
Emily Jane Sanders 29 Sep 1827 dau of James and Ann Maria, carver & gilder
Harriet Sanders 1 Feb 1829 dau of James and Ann Maria, gilder
James Sanders 12 Jan 1831 son of James and Ann Maria, gilder

[kiterunner]

And a burial at Wolverhampton St Peter's - Ann Maria Sanders, 4 Oct 1842, age 34, abode St James Square. (James and Sarah are at St James Square in 1851)

[kiterunner]

Hmmm, FamilySearch has a marriage 24 Jun 1827 at St Thomas, Dudley, Worcestershire, between James Saunders and Ann Maria Sharp, but it has them both down as "single" rather than James being a widower.

[borobabs]

I have looked at marriages all over the place Kate used beta LDS site used FMP and ancestry and got no where with it all I can think of is she must have lived somewhere else and got married there but haha where???
Thanks for the baptisms pet much appreciated

[Merry]

Oops, sorry Babs!!! :o Thanks Kate, that's the site!!

[kiterunner]

Found Harriett Saunders age 12 on the 1841 census, servant to a family called Johns in Wolverhampton. And a possible for Emily Jane - Jane Sanders age 15, servant to a family called Bagley.

In 1851, Ann Maria Sanders age 19 born Wolverhampton is a servant for a family called Elwell.

I know none of this really helps but just so nobody looks for them all over again later.

[Merry]

Catherine Sanders married James Morton at St Marks 22nd March 1857 according to that site Kate posted up. (father James, carver and gilder)

[borobabs]

But wouldnt you have thought that with all the years someone might have said Saunders or do you think Sanders is soundex of it
Cheers lasses I wouldnt have took any notice to any Saders as I kept looking for Saunders though the 1851 was just blip

[Merry]

My great-aunt married a Sanders but my mum always spelled it Saunders even though she pronounced it Sanders!

[borobabs]

MMMM right Merry must be so then

[Margaret in Burton]

I have Saunders in my lot and sometimes it's spelt Sanders

[borobabs]

I just thought it was fluke but seems its common then Marg ;;

[Durham Lady]

Babs, I have Saunders/Sanders in my family too, the spelling seems to be interchangable. There's a lot of them came from Cornwall.

[borobabs]

Cheers Daphne all I know is her husband married her in St Peters Wolverhampton lol but you never know

[kiterunner]

Cheers Daphne all I know is her husband married her in St Peters Wolverhampton lol but you never know
How do you know that, Babs?

[borobabs]

On freerg opps no its not now then why have I got that as definite
I think it was on LDS beta site not 100% sure now

[kiterunner]

But if you found her marriage, wouldn't you have her maiden name, Babs?

[borobabs]

Thats what carnt understand if I found it I didnt record where and how ,,,arghhhh

[kiterunner]

If they got married at St Peter's Wolverhampton, it should be in the transcriptions on that Wolverhampton site, and I can't see anything like it on there.

[borobabs]

No I couldnt either Kate dont know now if it was via a link up tree on ancestry that I saw it will have look

[borobabs]

Nope complete mystery to me now , gosh hope I havent got wrong mother for his baptism but carnt have can I ???

[kiterunner]

For whose baptism, Babs?

[borobabs]

Scrap that Kate sorry heads been all over the place this morning getting hubby sorted foor docs back and some peace I hope
There daughters my 2 X grandmother this is it

Wolverhampton Church St Peters RegisterNumber 21897 BaptismDate 10 Nov 1818 Forename Eliza Sex F FatherForename James MotherForename Caroline FatherSurname SAUNDERS FatherOccupation Gilder Rec by Tho WALKER Jr File 15879

[kiterunner]

Does Eliza's marriage certificate say that her father was a gilder?

[borobabs]

Yes gilder and carver sorry been trying to scan it but scanner wont finish

[kiterunner]

That is bound to be the right baptism, then.

[borobabs]

While I was trying to scan 2 lads went by and I hadnt realised my car key had fell of thew ring they have got it and the workies out front heard them say got key to Citroen will come back later ,,,

[kiterunner]

Ooer.

[kiterunner]

For when you get back, Babs - James Sa(u)nders was from Dudley, so maybe that's where he and Caroline got married?

[borobabs]

Kate still waiting for police but the cheeky low lives cam back down road and workie said there they are , Kes went flying up to them and asked if they had Key he said yes but didnt offer it so she said key and they give it back , she said that cars her legs she is disabled he said I dint know ,,,,cheeky so and so's but Kes knows one of the lads she used to mind his son in nursery so gotya
They where missing about half hour so now cars up drive with crook lock on

[borobabs]

For when you get back, Babs - James Sa(u)nders was from Dudley, so maybe that's where he and Caroline got married?

Cheers Kate will look there amorrow