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Glen TK

01-10-12, 19:04

Update at post #17 after certs arrived

I've found another possible branch of the Goulson family but the 1911 return doesn't help much with some of the relationships, I'm interested in the household members in general but Cecil has caught my eye for some reason.

1911 details;
Cecil Goulson abt 1899, Nephew
Birth Place: Hough, Lincolnshire, England

Births Dec 1897
Goulson Cecil Grantham 7a 482

Presumably a death record for him too;
Deaths Jun 1963
GOULSON CECIL 65 GRANTHAM 3B 72

Any help appreciated, I think the George mentioned in 1911 is born Syston despite the indexed pob.

kiterunner

01-10-12, 19:11

On the 1901 census he is at Hough on the Hill, Lincolnshire, age 3, born Gilston, son of Hannah Goulson age 33 born Gipple(?), Lincs. Hannah is a widow.

Glen TK

01-10-12, 19:17

I think this is the marriage for Hannah

Marriages Jun 1896 (>99%)

Goulson John Grantham 7a 1070
Toulson Hannah Grantham 7a 1070

And death of hubby?
Deaths Jun 1897
Goulson John 60 Newark 7b 247

Just a bit put off by the age given on that death record.

kiterunner

01-10-12, 19:20

I was just going to suggest the same marriage.

kiterunner

01-10-12, 19:22

The John Goulson who died in 1897 is on the National Probate Calendar - of Hougham Lincs, market gardener, died 24 Apr 1897, probate London 8 Jun to John Goulson watchmaker and Joseph Goulson and Walter Goulson market gardeners. So I'm guessing Hannah was a second wife, if this is the right John.

Glen TK

01-10-12, 19:29

Aha

In my tree I have a John Goulson c1836, I think that Cecil and Hannah are his second family, first family;

Husband John Goulson
Born 1836 Marston,Lincolnshire
Married 02 Sep 1861 Leicester District
Other Spouse(s)
Died 24 Apr 1897 Hougham, Lincolnshire.
Parents Page Goulson and Mary Gibson

Wife Mary Ann Freeman
Born 1836 Leicester
Other Spouse(s)
Died
Parents

Children
1 M
John Goulson
Born 1862 Leicester
Spouse Mary Ann Gilman
Married 1884 Grantham District
Died 18 Jun 1930 Coalville, Leicestershire
2 F
Elizabeth Goulson
Born 1864 Lutterworth
Spouse
Married
Died
3 M
Joseph Goulson
Born 1866 Showell,Leicester
Spouse Mary Robinson
Married 1891 Newark District
Died May 1938 Mobberley, Cheshire
4 F
Mary Ann Goulson
Born 1868 Kirton,Lincolnshire
Spouse
Married
Died
5 M
Walter Goulson
Born 1871 Kirton,Lincolnshire
Spouse Lydia Scott
Married 1896 Grantham
Died 1943 Southwell, Notts

Death of Mary Ann?

Deaths Dec 1894 (>99%)
GOULSON Mary Ann 60 Newark 7b 238

County Lincolnshire
Place Hougham
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber
BurialDate 19 Dec 1894
Forename Mary Ann
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname GOULSON
Age 60
Abode Hougham

Glen TK

01-10-12, 19:39

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8033/8044585876_5b9c860de8_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/50125734@N06/8044585876/)
lincs failure 1600px (http://www.flickr.com/photos/50125734@N06/8044585876/) by Glen TK2 (http://www.flickr.com/people/50125734@N06/), on Flickr

Glen TK

01-10-12, 20:08

Only query I have from the 1911 is as follows;

Head of house is Joseph abt 1862, there is an Alice listed as mother of the head, I don't have Alice as mother to Joseph though. :confused:

Merry

01-10-12, 20:26

I should think the Joseph and Alice in 1911 are these people in 1881:

RG11; Piece: 3379; Folio: 120; Page: 2

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7572&iid=LINRG11_3379_3383-0246&fn=Joseph&ln=Toulson&st=r&ssrc=&pid=12942172

Glen TK

01-10-12, 20:49

Merry

01-10-12, 21:03

That's why I gave you the 1881 as I presumed you could look at it somewhere....Here's one version

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQMP-Q13

Glen TK

01-10-12, 21:23

Ah, total foul up on ancestry then for the 1911

Joseph Goulson 49
Alice Goulson 83
Hannah Goulson 42
Cecil Goulson 12
George Goulson 44

Merry

02-10-12, 05:53

I hadn't noticed the T surnames were mistranscribed as I only searched for Cecil! The writing is quite clear. The relationships are correct though; Hannah and George are the sister and brother of Joseph and Alice is their mother. (George isn't at home in 1881 - he's a servant in another household in Syston)

Glen TK

03-10-12, 09:11

Well I think it has answered a query to a cert I had, one for a death of a Mary Goulson, widow of "unknown at this present time", it looks like she may have been the wife prior to Hannah.

Glen TK

31-01-13, 12:59

Found Cecil in a tree on GR, tree owner is a David Toulosn which all ties in rather nicely, wonder if he has any other names or if it's a branch he has based on census etc.

Glen TK

08-03-13, 18:20

Uodate to the thread,

ordered three certs today (first ones for a long time);

GRO
1896 marriage of John to Hannah
1897 death of John

Lincs Registrars
Birth cert for Cecil

Hopefully all three should tie in together and confirm the suspicions.

Glen TK

22-03-13, 13:08

Update after the certs arrived, wanted to share confirmation of the result;

John Goulson death 4th April 1897, Gelston Hough RD. Aged 60, Occ Market Gardener

Cecil Goulson birth 24th October 1897 in Gelston Hough RD. Son of John Goulson, Market Gardener, deceased and Hannah Goulson, formerly Toulson. Informant was Ann Toulson, present at the birth.