Waddicor family

[MancunianNick]

Personally I was fascinated with this week's episode of WDYTYA? Thread:

http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/Forum/showthread.php?t=15349

My own family tree research is primarily my mother's paternal side of the family - namely Waddicors. There are 2 main branches of the Waddicor family there - those from Darwen and who stayed there and those from the Ashton/Manchester branch who moved there from Darwen and other places. At the moment I'm not sure where the links from the Waddicors in Bill's tree may fit in. I'm hoping to try to find out if I can. :)

[MancunianNick]

The Darwen connection interested me too as I have some Waddicors on my Darwen tree.
OC
Yes me also - quite a few actually, along with many others who moved from Darwen down to the Ashton area. I'm hoping to see if/where the Waddicors in my own tree happen to meet (if that's the right word?) the Waddicors mentioned in this show. Time will tell I guess. :)

[Olde Crone]

MancunianNick

I'll have a look later on to see if Jeremy Hunt "did" the Waddicors.

OC

[Olde Crone]

MancunianNick

give me a Waddicor name and date, I've got loads of them (mostly married to Holdens).

I've also got Waddicor Waddicor.......

OC

[Shona]

Personally I was fascinated with this episode. My own family tree research is primarily my mother's paternal side of the family - namely Waddicors. There are 2 main branches of the Waddicor family there - those from Darwen and who stayed there and those from the Ashton/Manchester branch who moved there from Darwen and other places. At the moment I'm not sure where the links from the Waddicors in Bill's tree may fit in. I'm hoping to try to find out if I can. :)

While searching for info in WR, I came across a number of references to the 'Waddicor murders'. It was reported in many newspapers at the time. Have you come across this in your research?

[MancunianNick]

Episode Synopsis

The 1911 census shows Albert as the head of household, age 35, selling ices and temperance drinks, with wife Mary Zillah and daughters Florence Isabel, and Hester age 10. Their address is 4 Princess Street, Blackpool.
Albert Waddicor and family in 1911 (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=0&gsfn=alb*&gsln=wad*c*r&sx=&f2=&f3=&f8=&rg_81004011__date=&rs_81004011__date=0&f17=&f18=&f23=&f20=&f21=&_8000C002=&_80008002=&_80018002=&f15=&f9=&f22=&gskw=&prox=1&db=1911england&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=35&fh=4&h=60104387&recoff=)
Alice and May Waddicor in 1911 (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1911England&indiv=try&h=60123759)

Bill then looked at the 1881 census which showed James Waddicor age 32, quarry man and grocer, living in Darwen, Lancashire, with his wife Alice, 27, and son Albert, 5.
Waddicor family in 1881 (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=11718730)

They then looked at the 1891 census which shows James Waddicor age 42, phrenologist and medical electrician.
Waddicor family in 1891 (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=uki1891%2c&rank=0&gsfn=ja*s&gsln=wad*c*r&sx=&gs1co=1%2cAll+Countries&gs1pl=1%2c+&year=&yearend=&sbo=0&sbor=&ufr=0&wp=4%3b_80000002%3b_80000003&srchb=r&prox=1&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&o_iid=21417&o_lid=21417&o_sch=Web+Property&offerid=0%3a21318%3a0&pcat=35&fh=5&h=21403694&recoff=)

Bill then looked at the family on the 1901 census. James and Alice have 4 year old May with them, listed as their daughter. (She is also listed as Alice's daughter on the 1911 census entry, which is signed by Alice.) Florence is with her parents Albert and Mary Z, while Bill's mother Hester, at 3 months old, is with Zillah's sister Thomasina Stanier and her family in Leigh, Staffordshire.
James Waddicor in 1901 (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=uki1901%2c&rank=0&gsfn=ja*s&gsln=wad*c*r&sx=&gs1co=1%2cAll+Countries&gs1pl=1%2c+&year=&yearend=&sbo=0&sbor=&ufr=0&wp=4%3b_80000002%3b_80000003&srchb=r&prox=1&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&o_iid=21417&o_lid=21417&o_sch=Web+Property&offerid=0%3a21318%3a0&pcat=35&fh=3&h=25500575&recoff=)
Albert Waddicor in 1901 (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1901&indiv=try&h=25477695)
Hester Waddicor in 1901 with the Staniers (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=0&gsfn=hes*&gsln=wad*c*r&sx=&f1=Staffordshire&f2=&f4=&f18=&f12__n=&rg_81004011__date=&rs_81004011__date=0&f27=&f14=&f15=&_8000C002=&_80008002=&_80018002=&f7=&f8=&f9=&gskw=&prox=1&db=uki1901&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=35&fh=0&h=34548864&recoff=)

I'm not entirely sure why but when I clicked the first 2 links, I was able to see and view and download the first two census links via Ancestry and get the original census scans but the third then started giving me "you need to subscribe to see this" kind of thing.

So does anyone kindly have the original scans for the rest of these links please? Can email them to me or send them via DM or whatever's most convenient.

Thanks, Nick

[MancunianNick]

MancunianNick

I'll have a look later on to see if Jeremy Hunt "did" the Waddicors.

OC

Thank you kindly. Would be interested to know.

I used to be in touch with a nice lady in USA (Amy Bloch if memory serves) who did a lot of research into the Waddicors (USA as well as Darwen ones) but unfortunately cyberspace-wise, she seems to have completely vanished from the face of the earth. Shame that.

[MancunianNick]

MancunianNick

give me a Waddicor name and date, I've got loads of them (mostly married to Holdens).

I've also got Waddicor Waddicor.......

OC

I've got quite a few but my GGF was James b1857 and d1938 (Ashton)

Then HIS GGF was Richard b1776 d1849. I THINK it's possible this is the connection to the Darwen Waddicors but I've yet to find the actual link or to confirm it.

The only Holden I have was an Ann Holden, married to a James Fletcher Waddicor. They had a son, also called James Fletcher, b 21/1/1855.

Happy to exchange .GEDs or simply info, whichever you prefer? :)

Thanks, Nick

[Olde Crone]

Hi Nick



(I have a Richard FLETCHER Waddicor and a Joseph FLETCHER Waddicor, but not with parents James and Ann.)

OC

[MancunianNick]

While searching for info in WR, I came across a number of references to the 'Waddicor murders'. It was reported in many newspapers at the time. Have you come across this in your research?

I think I'd seen mention of it somewhere in the distant reaches of my brain but I just did a Google search now to refresh my memory and came across a lot of good information and names (including Waddicor Waddicor OC :)) with some newspaper clippings about it. I tried to save them for posterity and later tying in with my own tree/research but was unable to do so.

There's also a small discussion mentioning this on GR which I'm able to review but not to respond to as I no longer have a subscription on there.

OC are you connected perchance with the B & Es family history pages on the web? If so I'm sure we've been in communicado in the not-so-distant past? I've just re-registered there as I couldn't remember past details or whether or not I had actually registered before. Anyway seems very well researched and love the software used to create that web 'display', for want of a better word. Much better looking than that created by FTM!! Mind you, using 2010 version. May have improved since then, although I doubt it.

Just remembered, I must update my membership at M&LFHS - got a horrible, sneaky feeling it expired in August. Hmmm I'll have to enquire but that's going horribly off-topic so I'll leave it there until next time. :)

Cheers, Nick

[Olde Crone]

Thanks Merry! Some skilful editing there!

Nick - no, no connection to B & E. I don't think I've ever communicated with anyone re Waddicors as they are a side issue on my tree and I haven't actively researched them, just collected stuff as it came under my nose.

OC

[MancunianNick]

I'd forgotten about this thread until just now so thank you again for the reply, Crone. You mentioned earlier about your having Richard Fletcher Waddicor and a Joseph Fletcher Waddicor. I wonder if you could kindly let me know what info you have on them if you'd be so kind and if the "other stuff" isn't too large-a-quantity, what else you might have please?

My mother told me that she had seen the Bill Roache programme and had written to him about the Waddicors on our side, also attempting to find the connection and/or any other information he might have but sadly never received a response, although the likelihood is that the allegations of historical abuse and the court case etc took priority, naturally. Maybe I ought to suggest my mother send another copy now that it's over?

[Olde Crone]

Nick

As I said, I don't have much on this, I haven't directly researched them, just collected the info in passing, but it doesn't seem like they are yours.

William Waddicor and Ann Grime (Grimshaw) had a son
Judah Waddicor b 20 May 1788 Scotland, Over Darwen, bp 15 June 1788 Over Darwen Lower chapel.
Judah m Grace Taylor 7 April 1806 St Mary Blackburn.

Now the odd bit:

Richard Fletcher Waddicor b 18 Nov 1824 OD, bp 4 August 1825 Pole Lane chapel - his father is given as Judah Waddicor by repute.

RFW married Ann Shorrock on 1st Feb 1846 St Mary Blackburn. Ann was dead by 1861. Three known children

William 1850
James 1854
Grace 1857

OC

[Olde Crone]

Had a further look at this this afternoon and remembered why I never took the research forward, lol, too confusing.

I can see a James born 1857, presumably the one in Hartshead, mmn Wolstencroft. I cannot see a matching Waddicor/Wolstencroft marriage.*

I cannot see a James Fletcher Waddicor marrying an Ann Holden, anywhere, anytime.

I can see the birth of a Fletcher Waddicor (no James) in 1855, mmn Holden. (Hartshead) Again, I cannot see a suitable marriage for Waddicor/Holden. Fletcher Waddicor marries Emma Andrew in 1900, Ashton under Lyne. Again, he's not a James.

Also - Richard Fletcher Waddicor marries again in 1859 to Hannah Garforth. This time he says his father is Thomas Waddicor! I cannot see any children of this marriage.

Richard and his first wife Ann Shorrock had 7 children that I can see, not just the three I gave above.

OC

EDIT - *Yes I can,

Nathaniel Waddicar to
Mary Ann Wolstencroft
Dec 1843 Manchester 20 463 (Manchester Cathedral)

I can't see a baptism. There is a death for Nathaniel Hill Waddicor aged 45 in 1871, Hartshead. That would have made him only 17 at marriage - not impossible but rather unlikely.