William Grimshaw Born 1854 Scotland [Archive] - Genealogists' Forum

Anglosaxon

17-09-12, 04:01

Hi,

This is my GG grandfather that my mum has been struggling with doing her tree, William was born in Scotland and subsequently moved to Lancashire and married Ann. This is the only info I can find Scottish files do not seem to be the same.

I am looking for his marriage and his birth but cannot find anything at all and I have the full version of Ancestry. I know how good you guys are at getting stuff so far he has got me going potty :)

Any help

The line goes like this

Me - My mum (Christine Eccleston) - William Eccleston(grandad) - Annie Grimshaw Great granny - William Grimshaw Great great grandad.:confused:

Anglosaxon

17-09-12, 04:36

Been onto scotlands people found only 1 William Grimshaw and age is 6 years out ?? So I am trying to find William's marriage to Ann Grimshaw

Merry

17-09-12, 05:44

Could you give us details of your great grandmother, Annie Grimshaw, who married Mr Eccleston, please?

Is this her marriage?

Marriages Dec 1894
ALTY John Ormskirk 8b 1226
Eccleston William Henry Ormskirk 8b 1226 <<<<<<<<<<<
Grimshaw Ann Ormskirk 8b 1226 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Taylor Elizabeth Blinkhorn Ormskirk 8b 1226

Merry

17-09-12, 05:51

Is this them? 1901:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7814&iid=LANRG13_3565_3567-1033&fn=Ann&ln=Eccleston&st=d&ssrc=&pid=22198429

Merry

17-09-12, 05:55

1891?

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=6598&iid=LANRG12_3043_3046-0170&fn=Ann&ln=Grimshaw&st=d&ssrc=&pid=21952115

Merry

17-09-12, 05:58

1881?

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7572&iid=LANRG11_3756_3760-0287&fn=Annie&ln=Grimshaw&st=d&ssrc=&pid=9539631

You need Ann's birth cert to see what her mother's maiden name was.

Births Mar 1877
Grimshaw Ann Wigan 8c 33

Merry

17-09-12, 06:02

This could be her parents, but easily might not be!

Marriages Dec 1873
Grimshaw William Ormskirk 8b 1147 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Lawrenson Thomas Ormskirk 8b 1147
Robinson Ann Ormskirk 8b 1147 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
ROUGHLEY Emblem Ormskirk 8b 1147

Merry

17-09-12, 06:06

So, William's ages are:

1881 - 27
1891 - 38
1901 - 46

1911 - 58 (below)

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2352/RG14_23067_0127_03/19578203?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3frank%3d0%26gsfn%3dwilliam%26gsln%3 dgrimshaw%26rg_81004011__date%3d1854%26rs_81004011 __date%3d5%26prox%3d1%26db%3d1911england%26ti%3d55 38%26ti.si%3d0%26gss%3drfs%26so%3d3&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

Merry

17-09-12, 06:11

Once you have Ann's birth cert and have found and purchased her parent's marriage you will be better placed to go further (or to confirm my posts).

1871 possible:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=7619&path=Lancashire.Upholland.ALL.3.37&sid=&gskw=William+Grimshaw

and

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7619&iid=LANRG10_3895_3897-0342&fn=William&ln=Grimshaw&st=d&ssrc=&pid=27619911

Note the children's birthplaces - they may be in Scotland in 1861.

I'm not surprised the parents are from Lancashire as I associate the name Grimshaw with that part of the country.

Merry

17-09-12, 06:13

No, not in Scotland!

1861:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=LANRG9_2777_2781-0796&fn=Ellen&ln=Greenshaw&st=d&ssrc=&pid=24022681

Merry

17-09-12, 06:14

So, the 1871 is most useful as it gives Wm's birthplace as Glasgow, rather than just Scotland.

Merry

17-09-12, 06:23

I don't have a sub for Scotlands People and hardky use it anyway, so will leave looking for Scotish records to someone else, but I couldn't see anything for the Scottish children on Family Search.

If Scottish records don't help, to find out Ellen's maiden name, you could get the birth cert for William's younger sister:

Births Mar 1861
Grimshaw Cecily Wigan 8c 71

and hope Cecily's parents marriage is before William was born!

Merry

17-09-12, 06:25

I note there's a big gap between the eldest child on the 1861 census and the next (15 and 6 years), so it's possible William might have had more than one wife......

Merry

17-09-12, 06:35

There's an unmarried William b Blackrod in 1851 aged 20. I'm wondering if Margaret aged 15 in 1861 is the child of his then wife, Ellen?

Anyway, you have a lot of certs to get before you worry about that - I may have gone wrong somewhere.

First step is Annie's birth cert from 1877.

kiterunner

17-09-12, 07:13

Ann Grimshaw's birth in Wigan in 1877 is on the index on Lancashire BMD and it gives her mother's maiden name as Robinson.

Shona

17-09-12, 07:15

Couldn't find anything on SP in the OPRs (pre-1855).

There is a James Grimshaw born in Glasgow in 1856.

kiterunner

17-09-12, 07:17

And the 1873 marriage is on Lancashire Online Parish Clerks:
27 Oct 1873 at St Paul, Skelmersdale, William Grimshaw age 20, bachelor, coal miner, of Skelmersdale, married Ann Robinson, 19, spinster, of Skelmersdale, his father William Grimshaw coal miner, her father James Robinson, tailor, witnesses George Woodcock and Margaret Woodcock.

Merry

17-09-12, 07:18

Ann Grimshaw's birth in Wigan in 1877 is on the index on Lancashire BMD and it gives her mother's maiden name as Robinson.

*Tuts* I looked on there, but didn't see it! lol

kiterunner

17-09-12, 07:18

I don't have a sub for Scotlands People

Unfortunately there is no such thing as a sub for SP - it's pay as you go.

Merry

17-09-12, 07:18

is that 1861 birth on there too? I am just going out....

kiterunner

17-09-12, 07:20

Yes, Cecily Grimshaw's birth in 1861 is on Lancashire BMD, sub-district Hindley, mother's maiden name Calland.

Shona

17-09-12, 07:38

Couldn't find anything on SP in the OPRs (pre-1855).

There is a James Grimshaw born in Glasgow in 1856.

This is a good match for William's brother, who is aged 4 on the 1861 census.

Might be worth a look.

kiterunner

17-09-12, 07:41

So this is the 1861 census entry that we're looking at, just for easy reference:
Warrington Rd, Wigan, Lancashire
William Grimshaw Head Mar 32 Coal Miner Lancashire Wigan
Ellen Do Wife Mar 40 Do Do
Margaret Do Daur U 15 Cotton Factory Worker Do Do
William Do Son 6 Scholar Scotland
James Do Son 4 Scholar Do
Ellen Do Daur 2 Do
Sicily Do Daur 2 mo Do Ince.

Shona

17-09-12, 07:47

kiterunner

17-09-12, 07:48

Lancs BMD has a birth for Margaret Grimshaw in 1845, sub-district Hindley, mother's maiden name Calland. Also an Elizabeth in 1847, James 1849, Elizabeth 1851, Cecily 1861 (already mentioned) and Peter 1865.

The parents' marriage is also on Lancs BMD - William Grimshaw / Ellen Calland, 1844 at All Saints, Wigan.

kiterunner

17-09-12, 07:49

Yes. Merry posted the link earlier.

I know she did but it's easier to look at a a transcription for those of us who haven't got an ancestry sub! :)

Shona

17-09-12, 07:51

I know she did but it's easier to look at a a transcription for those of us who haven't got an ancestry sub! :)

Good point.

kiterunner

17-09-12, 07:52

Lancashire Online Parish Clerks have a transcription of the 1844 marriage:
11 Mar 1844 All Saints Wigan, William Grimshaw age 21, collier, bachelor, of Scholes, married Ellen Calland, 21, spinster, of Ince. Her father William Calland, collier. Witnesses William Hilton and Margaret Bolton. No mention of his father.

Anglosaxon

17-09-12, 08:01

Hi

My mum says this may be Williams Grimshaws mum and dad they moved to Glasgow for a short period.

Here is my tree http://trees.ancestry.com.au/tree/45851771/family?cfpid=6435759729

kiterunner

17-09-12, 08:02

Likely death registration on Lancs BMD for one of those children from post #25: Elizabeth 1849 age 1, sub-district Hindley.

kiterunner

17-09-12, 08:09

FamilySearch has a birth for James Grimshaw 29 Sep 1856 Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland, parents William Grimshaw and Ellen Callen. Also Helen Grimshaw born 11 Dec 1858 Torphichen, West Lothian, Scotland, parents William Grimshaw and Helen Cullen.

Shona

17-09-12, 08:14

Scotland's People

Grimshaw (inc variants) births

1855 to 1860:

1856, James Grimshaw, Milton, Glasgow
1857, Harriet Grimshaw, Springburn, Glasgow
1858, Helen Grimshaw, Torphichen, West Lothian
1859, William Grimshaw, Springburn, Glasgow
1859, Alexander Linds Grimshaw, Bonhill, Dunbarton

Still turning up no matches on OPRs.

kiterunner

17-09-12, 08:30

Harriet 1857 and William 1859 are the children of Jonathan Grimshaw and Helen Cree. And Alexander 1859 is the son of Sewell Grimshaw and Agnes Lindsay McAlister. All from FamilySearch.

Anglosaxon

17-09-12, 09:31

Thank you xx

Merry

17-09-12, 10:19

Unfortunately there is no such thing as a sub for SP - it's pay as you go.

Well that's what I meant then! lol I don't have any available credit, but I do have 18 expired credits. Can they be reactivated? Not that I need them for anything, but I could use them to help someone else, perhaps.

kiterunner

17-09-12, 10:25

They will be reactivated if you buy more.

Anglosaxon

17-09-12, 10:26

Not sure I bought some to search for him the the dates are not right William grimshaw was born 1854 x

kiterunner

17-09-12, 10:37

Yes, he is 6 on the 1861 census, so he was born about 1854-5. Unfortnately this means he may have been born just before civil registration started in Scotland and there does not seem to be a baptism for him in the OPR records on Scotland's People.