Housekeepers children

[Kit]

Thomas Kirton is single and has a housekeeper in 1911.

1911 census (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2352/RG14_26652_0773_03/36302203?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3d1911England%26so%3d2%26rank%3 d0%26gsfn%3dthomas%26gsln%3dkirton%26gs1co%3d3251% 252cEngland%26gs1pl%3d5292%252cYorkshire%26sbo%3d1 %26ufr%3d0%26wp%3d4%253b_80000002%253b_80000003%26 srchb%3dr%26prox%3d1%26ti%3d5538%26ti.si%3d0%26gss %3dangs-b&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

The housekeeper is married and was also married in 1901. The youngest 2 children have the middle man of Kirton. Is it reasonable to think they may be Thomas Kirton's children?

[Margaret in Burton]

I would think so. My great grandmother had a baby by the lodger and then married him.

[Kit]

Just found the baptism of the elder child, Melissa, and the surname is in the name of Clay (housekeeper) but Thomas is written and crossed out as the father.

[Kit]

I haven't found a marriage yet Marg but she was buried in the name Kirton. I suspect she went by Kirton but didn't lie on the 1911 census.

[Margaret in Burton]

I have come across more than one instance when a chap has married his so called housekeeper.

Look better on the census than mistress.

[Kit]

all innocent on the 1911. She is just the housekeeper, supposedly married to someone else.

[Merry]

Have you found the housekeeper's original husband in 1911? Might help fill out the picture a little.

[Kit]

I haven't found the housekeepers husband at all Merry. I'll have a look at the 1891 and follow him through.

I can't find marriages for the kids either to see who they say Dad is. Ancestry don't have all the records that late for the area they live in. Will look for her older kids though, that might help.

[Janet]

They're in Bradford on the 1891, at 118 Back Spinkwell[?] Terrace. He is b abt 1864 Leeds, labourer in chemical works.

Arthur Clay 27
Mary Clay 22
Herbert Clay 1
Blanche Clay 3/12

Piece: 3626
Folio: 110
Page Number: 19

[Janet]

You saw the 1932 non-con burials in West Yorkshire, Non-Conformist Records, 1646-1985, Toni?

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=2268&iid=32356_259860-00264&fn=Thomas+Arthur&ln=Kirton&st=r&ssrc=&pid=237647

Kirton, Thomas Arthur, 2 Ashfield Place, Eccleshill, Feb. 13th, 59 years
and just down the page
Kirton, Mary Hannah, 2 Ashfield Place, Eccleshill, Jun. 27th, 63 years

[Janet]

She was already with Kirton on the 1901, as a boarder. Melissa and Willie are Clay, not yet using Kirton.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7814&iid=YRKRG13_4151_4153-0860&fn=Thomas+A&ln=Kirton&st=r&ssrc=&pid=26480237

Registration district: Bradford
Sub-registration district: Bradford East
ED, institution, or vessel: 50
Household schedule number: 131
Piece: 4152
Folio: 196
Page Number: 18

Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas A Kirton 28
Mary A Clay 32
Herbert Clay 11
Blanche Clay 10
Sam Clay 8
Mellissa K Clay 3
Willie K Clay 1

[Merry]

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=2253&iid=32355_249726-00590&fn=Arthur&ln=Clay&st=d&ssrc=&pid=4786119

Marriages Jun 1913
Clay Mary H Kirton Bradford 9b 181
Kirton Thomas A Clay Bradford 9b 181

The banns for the 1913 marriage are ancestry, but not the marriage itself, so I can't see if she said she was a widow - expect so though.

I don't see any children for Thomas and Mary Kirton after 1911

Arthur Clay who in 1891 said he was born in Leeds in 1864ish isn't the same one showing on other censues b 1866 Leeds, father Samuel and wife Alice Ann Green, so at the moment I'm not sure what happened to Arthur.

William Kirton Clay said his father was Thomas Arthur Kirton when he married in 1924 to Agnes Wright, which I'm sure is true, but he didn't drop the name Clay at the wedding.

[Merry]

Still looking for Arthur Clay:

1871 with widowed father James. Arthur b Leeds 1864
1881 no sign of either of them
1891 Arthur with Mary Hannah as already posted, James in an asylum (lunatic)
1901 Arthur vanished, James in a hospital in Leeds, died later in 1901
1911 No sign of Arthur.

[Merry]

When Blanche Clay was married in 1909 she said her father was Arthur Clay, cooper which I think is what he said on his ow marriage cert. She didn't say he was dec'd, but may have thought he was of course......

[Kit]

Hi Janet yes I saw those links. The kids have an initial K, that is Kirton.

Merry I did not find that marriage. Will have to have a look. I did find the Arthur/Alice marriage but I think they are separate people, unless he lied as it would be a bigamous marriage.

I feel Arthur is alive in 1911 as Mary could have said widow instead of married. I was looking for a death but haven't found it so far.

[Merry]

I did find the Arthur/Alice marriage but I think they are separate people, unless he lied as it would be a bigamous marriage.

I feel Arthur is alive in 1911 as Mary could have said widow instead of married. I was looking for a death but haven't found it so far.


Arthur and Alice are separate people as both Arthurs are on the census at the same time up to 1891.

It might just be that Mary didn't know what happened to Arthur - maybe he emigrated - I don't know why they woud have married in 1913 all of a sudden though, unless it was because they had heard something.....

[Kit]

I found this Arthur in 1901 but not sure if it is the right one.

RG13 piece 4354 folio 62 page 26

oops didn't see your post above.

[Merry]

I found this Arthur in 1901 but not sure if it is the right one.

Head of house is Byron Clay, Arthur's brother. Looking back their father is Frederick, but 'your' Arthur's father is James.

[Kit]

Thanks Merry. I didn't think to look back, doh, I've been trying to find siblings for Arthur (I have 2 girls) or Byron's birth, but no luck. My head isn't thinking clearly.

I'm off to bed now so I'm not ignoring anything, I'll see it in the morning.

[Merry]

I've been trying to find siblings for Arthur (I have 2 girls) or Byron's birth

As far as I can see your Arthur only had one sister, Bertha, and she died aged 1 in 1866. I can't see a very likely deah for Arthur's mother, but her husband says he's a widower in 1871.

[Kit]

There is a Mary Jane born 1859 to James Waine Clay. He was a groom then and a labourer for Bertha.

[Merry]

I didn't see that one. I couldn't find them in 1861.

[Kit]

I'm finding ancestry a bit strange lately. I search for marriages with a fathers name and don't have much luck. If I search one child at a time the marriage comes up.

I can't solve Arthur's death at this time. I'm thinking the younger 2 children belonged to Thomas but would like to see Willie's baptism. Melissa appears to have died unmarried so I can't see what she said on her marriage cert.