Stephen & Sarah Gillmore

[Phoenix]

Sarah Lanning born c 1825, daughter of George Lanning & Mary Overall in Marylebone marries Stephen Gillmore a painter (& decorator, I suspect!) in 1850.

Sarah isn't baptised (well, I can't find it), but three of her siblings were - all in a batch - when the widowed George was living at Tottenham St in 1840.

There is a servant Sarah right age & area a servant in 1841.

In June 1844, a Sarah Lanning is up at the Old Bailey for theft. She appears to steal a whole suitcase of clothes, but is sentenced to only three months.

In October 1844, a Sarah Lanning gives birth to a baby, Joanna Jane who is baptised in the workhouse.

Stephen's family live at 23 Tottenham Street. Dad, also Stephen, is a shoemaker. Stephen is born in Tottenham Street in 1825.

The trouble is, I cannot find the couple in 1851. The marriage register merely give them as "of age, St Marylebone" which is not much help!

By 1861, Stephen is under the same roof as Dad, with "wife" Alice and "son" Joseph aged 7, and s-l Mary A Yorke, married.

Stephen dies in 1864.

FMP for 1851 has a Stephen Gillowy, painter, of the right age - but he gives his birthplace as Northumberland. And I cannot make out his marital status.

Can anyone find them in 1851? They ought to be in St Marylebone. No 23 is packed with painters, but just not the happy couple.

[Joy Dean]

Not yet, but could this be Sarah in 1881? http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&gsfn=sarah&gsln=gilmore&gsby=1825&gsb2co=3251%2cEngland&gsb2pl=1%2cAll+Counties&gsdy=&gsd2co=1%2cAll+Countries&gsd2pl=1%2c+&sbo=0&sbor=&srchb=r&prox=1&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-c&pcat=35&h=21100415&db=uki1881&indiv=1
Sarah Gillmore

[Joy Dean]

Stephen Gilloner, painter, born Tottenham Court Road ?, in 1851 http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&gsfn=stephen&gsln=gilmore&gsby=1825&gsb2co=3251%2cEngland&gsb2pl=1%2cAll+Counties&gsdy=&gsd2co=1%2cAll+Countries&gsd2pl=1%2c+&sbo=0&sbor=&srchb=r&prox=1&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-c&pcat=35&h=2434844&recoff=6+7&db=uki1851&indiv=1 but no Sarah.

[Phoenix]

I did wonder, Joy.

I had it at the back of my mind that Sarah died young, but that might have been on the basis of the 1861 census.

If it is, then she may have shacked up with men on the earlier censuses and made herself invisible. But I thought we had at least found her in 51.

[Phoenix]

That makes more sense, Joy. I just saw the umberland bit, and didn't recognise the rest as Tottenham Court Road (I do remember doing an ancestor crawl, armed with Godfrey Map & foolishly squealing "ooh look, it's still called TC Road:o)

So where was Sarah? She'd had very little time to decamp.

[Phoenix]

Hmm there is this: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8860&iid=MDXHO107_1490_1490-1200&fn=Sarah&ln=Lunge&st=d&ssrc=&pid=2371248

The name looks like Lunge (and not Large) but mistranscriptions are various.

[Phoenix]

There is also a Sarah NK, whose occupation is Unfortunate. It's surprising really that only one is so clearly marked out.

[Merry]

How can you be sure Sarah was born in Marylebone?

[Phoenix]

Okay, I've looked at all the Sarahs b Middlesex 1825 +/- 4 yrs for those by themselves with names that could be either Lanning or Gilmore and only found those two. So she's either in an institution under initials or with someone.

[Phoenix]

Merry, I can't be 100% sure it's Marylebone, nor her precise age. But the family seem to keep tightly to Holborn/Pancras/Marylebone area.

It's like her little girl: she might be the Joanna who died - in the same quarter that Sarah married. But there is a Jane Larning with the Cambridge g granny in 1851 aged 6 and back in London with George in 1861.

[Merry]

Do you think the mother of Stephen John Lanning b/bap 1842/3 is a different Sarah?

[Phoenix]

Yes. I was hopeful for a bit, but she seems to be the daughter of Stephen and Ann Coombes. Stephen was a cutler who died in the workhouse.

On the other hand, they are almost certainly cousins, though goodness knows of what degree as Stephen appears to hale from Kington Magna.