Finally got Dorothy Staines mum and das wedding certificate

[Anglosaxon]

George JOhn staines aged 18 - father george staines

Betsy fisher aged 18 - father William james fisher

in west ham district

[Merry]

And the occupations of the fathers?

Also, who are the witnesses?

I think we found a possible for Betsy already, didn't we?

[Merry]

Oh and it was 1924, wasn't it!

[Anglosaxon]

Yes George Staines is a scaffolder

William James Fisher is a General Labourer

Witness

Mrs H King and S fisher

dated the 21st June 1924.

I have just done a search for william james to no avail.

[Merry]

Births Jun 1905 (>99%)
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Fisher Betsy Romford 4a 565


the above Betsy is most likely the one. In 1911 her father shows with the right full name. He is a gas stoker

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2352/rg14_09877_0601_03/53071716?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3frank%3d0%26gsfn%3dbets*%26gsln%3df isher%26rg_81004011__date%3d1906%26rs_81004011__da te%3d2%26prox%3d1%26db%3d1911england%26ti%3d5538%2 6ti.si%3d0%26gss%3drfs%26so%3d3&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

[Merry]

This is probably the parents of Betsy:

Marriages Sep 1889 (>99%)
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Fisher William James Romford 4a 358
Frost Frederick Romford 4a 358
JEEVES Sarah Rebecca Romford 4a 358
NOAD Eliza Romford 4a 358


they say they have been married 22 years in 1911. Obviously you need the birth cert for Betsy to confirm.

[Merry]

This looks right:

Births Jun 1906 (>99%)
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Staines George John Romford 4a 608

[Merry]

George and Emily, married 11 years:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2352/rg14_09582_0099_03/52658914?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3frank%3d0%26gsfn%3dgeorge%26gsln%3d staines%26rg_81004011__date%3d1906%26rs_81004011__ date%3d2%26gskw%3dessex%26prox%3d1%26db%3d1911engl and%26ti%3d5538%26ti.si%3d0%26gss%3derror%26so%3d3&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

[Merry]

I wonder what Emily called herseld in 1901?

Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)
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Keens Henry James Romford 4a 695
Staines George Romford 4a 695
Stevens George Romford 4a 695
Stringer Florence Emily Romford 4a 695
Swanborough Florence Emily Romford 4a 695

[Merry]

Hmmmm.....she is Emily there too:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7814&iid=ESSRG13_1652_1653-0036&fn=Dorothy&ln=Stains&st=d&ssrc=&pid=9579290

at least on this census George is a scaffolder!

[Anglosaxon]

Merry thank you so much - my dad has just been in tears on the phone me telling him about his family. What do I need to do next to go back even further ? I assume find birth certificates for all ?

[Merry]

I've given you the references for the birth certs for Betsy and George. You need to get those to make sure you get the correct marriage certs for their parents. Until you get the marriage certs for their parents you can never be certain about the parents birth certs in case the bride was previously married and so is marrying in a name other than her maiden name (obviously there are loads of othe reasons why you should get marriage certs, but this is the most obvious one!!)

Do you have a paid sub to either Ancestry or Find My Past? if not, then you need one! lol

Hope your dad is OK - a lot of people find this journey emotional, especially at the start.

[Anglosaxon]

Your a star x thank you I wondered what the numbers where :)

So I buy the marriage cert first for each couple then all of their birth certificates ?

[Merry]

No, first buy the birth certs for Betsy and George (1905/6). Those certs wll give you the maiden names (and any other former names) of the two mothers. Hopefully, this information will lead you to the correct marriage certificates. ie don't get the marriage certs before you know the exact names that should be on them.

Once you have the parents marriage certs you wll then have their father's names and occupations to help trace the families on the censuses, sort out when and where they were born and then get the next set of birth certificates.

Does that make sense?

[Anglosaxon]

Yes so birth Certs for Betsy fisher and George Staines will order them today what was the site again I get them cheap as my computer crashed and I lost all my bookmarks x

[Merry]

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

:):):)