Mary Jane Jones [Archive] - Genealogists' Forum

Zoemcdougall

01-08-12, 08:44

Can any help me see if I have the right Mary Jane Jones.

The Mary Jane Jones I am looking for was born in llanwenog 1880/81.. died in 1947. Married in 1899 to my Elusive great grandfather Edward.

I have found a Mary Jane Jones that could be her on the 1891 Wales Census, please could anyone look at this to see what you think.

Piece no 4591, Folio 60, pg2.

Thankyou

Zoe

ElizabethHerts

01-08-12, 09:13

Zoe, do you have her marriage certificate and if so who was her father and what was his occupation?

The parents here are Thomas, a railway worker, and Ann.

Zoemcdougall

01-08-12, 09:18

Yes I do have her marriage cert, her father's name was William & his occupation was a Mason.

ElizabethHerts

01-08-12, 09:28

It doesn't look like the right girl then, unfortunately.

Zoemcdougall

01-08-12, 09:34

Ok Thankyou for looking Elizabeth.

ElizabethHerts

01-08-12, 09:42

How about this one:

Rolan, Rhosgoch, Llanwnog
JONES, William Head Married M 49 1842 Small Farmer & Mason Llanwnog, Montgomeryshire
JONES, Elizabeth Wife Married F 49 1842 Llanwnog, Montgomeryshire
JONES, Samuel Son Single M 15 1876 Scholar Llanwnog, Montgomeryshire
JONES, David Son Single M 13 1878 Scholar Llanwnog, Montgomeryshire
JONES, Thomas Son M 11 1880 Scholar Llanwnog, Montgomeryshire
JONES, Mary J Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar Llanwnog, Montgomeryshire
JONES, Benjamin Son M 7 1884 Scholar Llanwnog, Montgomeryshire

1891 Census
JONES, Mary J
NEWTOWN, Montgomeryshire
RG12 piece 4591 folio 41 page 2

Zoemcdougall

01-08-12, 09:51

Thankyou once again Elizabeth, I know she had a brother called Benjamin, I think he lived in Caersws married to Sarah, but that is all from memory, but not a 100% sure of this.

ElizabethHerts

01-08-12, 10:06

The same family in 1881:

NEWTOWN, Montgomeryshire
RG11 piece 5483 folio 49 page 2
Bronhaul, Llanwnog
JONES, William Head Married M 39 1842 Stone Mason Llanwnog, Montgomeryshire, Wales
JONES, Elizabeth Wife Married F 39 1842 Aberhafesp, Montgomeryshire
JONES, William Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar Aberhafesp, Montgomeryshire
JONES, John Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar Llanwnog, Montgomeryshire
JONES, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar Llanwnog, Montgomeryshire
JONES, Samuel Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar Llanwnog, Montgomeryshire
JONES, Richard Son Single M 4 1877 Llanwnog, Montgomeryshire
JONES, David Son Single M 3 1878 Llanwnog, Montgomeryshire
JONES, Thomas Son Single M 1 1880 Llanwnog, Montgomeryshire

ElizabethHerts

01-08-12, 10:08

This is the ref. for 1901.

Both parents still alive, with Thomas and Benjamin.

1901 Census
JONES, William
NEWTOWN, Montgomeryshire
RG13 piece 5194 folio 48 page 10

ElizabethHerts

01-08-12, 10:09

1911, Elizabeth has died, William and Thomas remain with a housekeeper.

RG number: RG14
Piece: 33764
Reference: RG14PN33764 RG78PN1948 RD616 SD2 ED6 SN32
Registration District: Newtown
Sub District: Lianwnog
Enumeration District: 6
Parish: Llanwnog
Address: Village Llanwnog Caersws Mont
County: Montgomeryshire

ElizabethHerts

01-08-12, 10:17

1871 Census
JONES, William
NEWTOWN, Montgomeryshire
RG10 piece 5612 folio 6 page 3

JONES, William Head M 29 Stone Mason Montgomeryshire
JONES, Elizabeth Wife F 29 Montgomeryshire
JONES, William Son M 2 Montgomeryshire
JONES, John Son M 0 Montgomeryshire

Zoemcdougall

01-08-12, 10:18

Thankyou so much Elizabeth, your help is very much appreciated.

ElizabethHerts

01-08-12, 10:20

1861 Census.
William not yet married, with brother Samuel.

1861 Census
JONES, William
NEWTOWN, Montgomeryshire
RG09 piece 4247 folio 55 page 10
JONES, Samuel Head Married M 27 1834 Small Farmer Aberhafesp, Montgomeryshire
JONES, William Brother Unmarried M 20 1841 Stone Mason Llanwnog, Montgomeryshire

ElizabethHerts

01-08-12, 10:23

The 1851 Census shows the parents of William:

1851 Census
JONES, William
NEWTON, Montgomeryshire
HO107 piece 2496 folio 426 page 18
JONES, Samuel Head Married M 42 Mason Aberhafesp, Montgomeryshire
JONES, Elizabeth Wife Married F 45 Moughtrey, Montgomeryshire
JONES, Samuel Son Unmarried M 17 Mason Aberhafesp, Montgomeryshire
JONES, William Son M 9 ScholarLlanwnog, Montgomeryshire
JONES, John Son M 2 Llanwnog, Montgomeryshire

Merry

01-08-12, 11:57

I don't know if the previous thread had any more or less than this one, but it is a least the same family found both times!!

http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/Forum/showthread.php?t=14264&highlight=william+jones+mason

Zoemcdougall

01-08-12, 13:30

Thankyou for your help once again, Elizabeth & Merry. now looking for the Marriage of William to Elizabeth, or should I do this as a new thread.

Merry

01-08-12, 14:14

First you need to get a birth cert for one of their children to see what Elizabeth's maiden name was.

From the other thread there was this one:

North Wales BMD 1881:

JONES Mary Jane Llanwnog Powys - Llandrindod Wells LLANWNOG/15/58

FreeBMD:

Births Dec 1881
JONES Mary Jane Newtown 11b 165

Did you ever buy it? If not then you need to get it!

Zoemcdougall

01-08-12, 14:21

I have only just ordered it Merry, as I've been on holiday. so I'll wait for that to come back.

Merry

01-08-12, 15:51

Thankyou for your help once again, Elizabeth & Merry. now looking for the Marriage of William to Elizabeth, or should I do this as a new thread.

No, don't do a new thread, as it may be helpful to have the census details to hand once you have the birth cert.

Zoemcdougall

01-08-12, 16:58

Ok Thanks Merry. looking on Ancestry there is a person researching what appears to be who i am looking for and he has the Surname of Elizabeth as Davies and that they married in 1868 in Newtown. but will wait for the birth cert of Mary Jane to confirm her mother's maiden name.

Merry

01-08-12, 19:41

That marriage doesn't seem to appear on FreeBMD (possibly badly indexed) but it's on North Wales BMD:

JONES William Llangurig, St Curig Powys - Llandrindod Wells CL02/1/163
DAVIES Elizabeth Llangurig, St Curig Powys - Llandrindod Wells CL02/1/163

But yes, you shoulld definitely wait for the birth certificate.

Zoemcdougall

01-08-12, 20:04

Thankyou Merry, Will let you know when it arrives

Zoemcdougall

15-07-13, 09:19

Thankyou to a friend they have found the Obituary of Mary Jane Jones' father William, it is very detailed, & ties in with all the records that Merry & Elizabeth found, plus there was some that did catch my eye was that the was a link to Sheffield & Leeds on it, so would like find out more,
It states William had 6 children I living in Sheffield, 1 in Leeds , 2 other's were living in south Wales & the other 2 in North Wales. One of the being my Great grandmother Mary

He was living at the Cambrian Crossing in Pendryndeudraeth at the time of his death, he was buried in LLanwnog with his wife who 5 years earlier. Would like to find out exactly where. I really pleased to have been given this info.

JessBow

15-07-13, 09:28

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MGY/Llanwnnog/

might be worth you looking at this

Zoemcdougall

15-07-13, 09:31

Thank you Jess,

Merry

15-07-13, 09:33

Merry

15-07-13, 09:39

It states William had 6 children I living in Sheffield, 1 in Leeds , 2 other's were living in south Wales & the other 2 in North Wales. One of the being my Great grandmother Mary

As well as the dates it would be helpful to know if you know which children had already died out of these (or which ones definitely hadn't died!):

William 1869
John 1871
Elizabeth 1873
Samuel 1876
Richard 1877
David 1878
Thomas 1880
Mary 1882
Benjamin 1884

(those birth years are approx as they are taken from various census extries posted previously.)

Zoemcdougall

15-07-13, 09:54

Merry I have just got the obit in front of me now, He died on Nov 8th 1914, the obit appears in the Cambrian News on the 20th Nov,

& Merry I made a mistake.

Mr Jones left 6 sons 2 Daughters.

William Jones Son (Sheffield)
Samuel Jones Son (Newtown)
David Jones Son (Hengeod South Wales)
Richard Jones Son (Brecon)
Thomas Jones Son ( LLanwnog)
Benjamin Jones Son (Roley)
Mrs Whitehead daughter (Leeds) that will be Elizabeth
Mrs Jones Daughter (Pendryndeudraeth) Mary Jane Jones my Great Grandmother.

Plus their Spouses.

2 grandchildren listed, 4 Nephews listed.

Merry

15-07-13, 10:02

Oooh, that's better!

So, you want to try and find out exactly where William was buried and what else?

Zoemcdougall

15-07-13, 10:15

Sorry Merry for the Mistake, silly Me !!!

Yes I would like to try & find out exactly where William is buried on the obit says he was interred next to his wife. in Llanwnog. Also I would like to try & find out what made William Jnr go to Sheffield, & one of his sisters to live in Leeds.

Think this just catch my eye due Mary's Husband Edward's supposed Sheffield connection.

But as we all know we can't find a concrete connection only what's on the census records stating he was born in Sheffield.

But just having this is great as I think my Dad's sister is researching the wrong family. All names on the census records I have connect with names on Obit etc.

Merry

15-07-13, 10:24

Also I would like to try & find out what made William Jnr go to Sheffield, & one of his sisters to live in Leeds.

Do you already know where they were in 1911?

Zoemcdougall

15-07-13, 10:29

No I don't merry, I have looked for them before as I was mainly concentrating on Mary Jane.

The Only other one that I know a little about is Benjamin, He was born in Roley Farm.

This is where Mary Jane & Edward had their 1st child.

Zoemcdougall

15-07-13, 10:30

I can't access my tree as I had to cancel my subs on it, & it won't let me look. until I renew.

Merry

15-07-13, 10:32

OK. This looks like Elizabeth:

WHITEHEAD, Charles Head Married10 years M 37 1874 Crane Driver At Iron Steel Works West Ardsley County of York
WHITEHEAD, Elizabeth Wife Married10 years F 38 1873 Shopkeeper Llanwenog County of Montgomery
WHITEHEAD, Elsie Gladys Daughter F 7 1904 West Ardsley York
WHITEHEAD, Harold Arthur Son M 3 1908 West Ardsley

Three children born, two living, one dec'd.

8 Hillidge Road, Hunslet, Leeds, West Yorkshire

Might be more tricky to sort out William as there are quite a few around Sheffield and mostly b in Wales!! Does the obit give any other clues about him?

Merry

15-07-13, 10:35

Oh, this is probably him:

JONES, William Head Married M 42 1869 Corn Miller Aberhesp Montgomeryshire
JONES, Annie Wife Married 16 years F 39 1872 Battysford Yorkshire
JONES, Frank R Ernest Son M 13 1898 School Battysford Yorkshire
JONES, Doris Daughter F 10 1901 School Battysford Yorkshire
JONES, Wilfred Leeming Son M 9 1902 School Battysford Yorkshire
LEEMING, Tom Garnett Brother In Law Single M 37 1874 Wheelwright Battysford Yorkshire
LEEMING, Fanny Sister In Law Single F 30 1881 Battysford Yorkshire

Three children born, still living.

77 Scolt Road, Sheffield, West Yorkshire

Merry

15-07-13, 10:43

William's marriage:

Marriages Jun 1894
Jones William Dewsbury 9b 827
Leeming Annie Dewsbury 9b 827

Elizabeth's marriage:

Marriages Sep 1900
Jones Elizabeth Hunslet 9b 589
Whitehead Charles Hunslet 9b 589

Merry

15-07-13, 10:50

William in 1901:

JONES, William Head Married M 32 1869 Corn Miller Llanriog, Montgomeryshire
JONES, Annie Wife Married F 29 1872 Mirfield, Yorkshire
JONES, Frank E Son Single M 3 1898 Mirfield, Yorkshire
JONES, Doris Daughter Single F 0 (9 MOS) 1901 Mirfield, Yorkshire
LEEMING, Tom G Brother-In-Law Single M 27 1874 Wheelwright Mirfield, Yorkshire
LEEMING, Fanny Sister-In-Law Single F 20 1881 Living On Own Means Mirfield, Yorkshire

5, Bracken Hill Providence Terrace, Mirfield

Merry

15-07-13, 10:53

Elizabeth in 1901:

WHITEHEAD, Charles Head Married M 27 1874 Travelling Crane Driver West Ardsley, Yorkshire
WHITEHEAD, Elizabeth Wife Married F 28 1873 Llani?g, Montgomeryshire, N Wales

Woodkirk, Ardsley West, West Ardsley, West Yorkshire

EDIT - Every time I've said West Yorkshire I should have said West Riding of Yorkshire as they are not the same thing! Sorry!!

kiterunner

15-07-13, 10:55

I can't access my tree as I had to cancel my subs on it, & it won't let me look. until I renew.

Zoe, there is a free website where you can view the public ancestry trees - you just log in using your ancestry username (the site belongs to ancestry).
http://www.mundia.com/gb/

I think when you log in, it will show you your own tree on your home page, but if not this link should take you to it:
http://www.mundia.com/gb/Tree/Family/18265685/893017536

Zoemcdougall

15-07-13, 10:57

Merry Thank you so much for information, it is brilliant. I truly appreciate it.

Zoemcdougall

15-07-13, 11:12

Thankyou Kate, I'm hoping to renew soon, Think after having the obit on William Jones has given me a new boost on looking at the family research again, I know they are probably not connected but it was just with William Jnr living in Sheffield, that has got me interesting again.

Edward is on the "back burner". I also found out why my aunt highlighted some places on a map of Wales, She is under the impression that her great grandmother was an Ann Lewis, But with all the evidence you have all found for me census records and the obits I have, all the names matches, So I know I have right family, it did help that my father gave a obit of his grandmother Mary listing all her siblings. to back this up.

Zoemcdougall

15-07-13, 11:43

Do you think it is just a coincidence that One of Mary's brother goes to live in Sheffield the supposed birth place of place May's husband Edward. or could there be anything in it.

kiterunner

15-07-13, 12:14

Probably a coincidence.

Merry

15-07-13, 12:21

Yes, if it was a small village with the connection then there probably would be something in it, but otherwise unlikely (but never impossible!)

As Wiliam jr's wife was from Mirfield this is probably William in 1891 (Ancestry):

Name: William Jones
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Boarder
Where born: Flannrog, Montgomeryshire, Wales [Llanwnog, Montgomeryshire, Wales]
Civil Parish: Mirfield
County/Island: Yorkshire

He's a labourer, but there is a corn miller who is his neighbour!! Someone has done a correction on his place of birth - might be worth getting in touch if it's not someone you already know!

Zoemcdougall

15-07-13, 12:59

Can I ask name of tree owner is Merry!

Zoemcdougall

15-07-13, 13:22

I don't have a sub to Ancestry at the moment Merry, so I can't view the other members looking for William Jones. I just thought it was worth asking if there was a connection, as you say (its never impossible). Thankyou Merry & Kate.