1861 census problem - better eyes needed please

[Merry]

Research for a friend, so nothing added to BK6 from this thread

Could others have a look at this dreadful census page and try and work out the names of the people in schedule 113.


http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=MDXRG9_302_305-0728&fn=James&ln=Head&st=d&ssrc=&pid=5970414

I have tried to relate the names I think they might be to other records (baps, GRO, other censuses etc) without any luck.

I have not been able to find the same page on FMP to see if they have a better image.

[ElizabethHerts]

Try this, Merry, it's clearer:

http://www.findmypast.co.uk/CensusHouseholdSearchServlet?censusYear=1861&uir=7c2d16947ddad486622644967b8fe363&lineNo=16&lineNoSuffix=0&UIRStamp=a42b655fab812127c0506dc22380b70aeaa199ba4 67b108ddc93f2c011c72ffba01aa50f8414e6dc&pagetype=6&_zga_s=1#

[ElizabethHerts]

Martha, Frederick and John Teal.
Emma Stead.
FMP says James Stead, but I find it hard to read.

[Merry]

Oooh, thanks Elizabeth. It was the last name that I needed. James Stead is who I'm looking for! I found him on Ancestry under surname Head!

Now I need to know who is the daughter of Martha Teal who married a Stead? I've been going round with this all day and it's taken until now to find a census record for James (or anything for him) before the 1891!!

[ElizabethHerts]

Could this be the baptism of Emma? It says she is two years old.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=1558&iid=31280_196379-00024&fn=Emma&ln=Stead&st=r&ssrc=&pid=2775639

Edit:
No, sorry, she'd still be too young.

[Merry]

Well maybe, but she's already 2 in 1851 :mad: Grandmother is now Veal and Emma looks like Head. It would be very annoying if they turn out to be Heads after all.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8860&iid=MDXHO107_1544_1545-0307&fn=Martha&ln=Veal&st=d&ssrc=&pid=374306

[Merry]

Bother, bother! Charles Head m Emma Veale 1856 St Thomas Stepney.

That's the end of that then. Drat.

Had to laugh that Charles was a butcher though!!

[ElizabethHerts]

Oh, bother, Merry! I did wonder about "Head" as it is so similar to "Stead" in appearance.

Here is Martha Veall in 1871:( (Veall has an extra l)
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/CensusHouseholdSearchServlet?censusYear=1871&uir=6aeae3c63d80c5fe&lineNo=24&lineNoSuffix=0&UIRStamp=173f9dae9587b95c7c9f2fc20c9ecb8f4c4742111 11794ce301125d4ff5f99699ab00bad84ce37d5&pagetype=6

[Merry]

So.....from memory :(

1891

James Stead b Stepney 1855ish occ bootmaker, says he is married to Eliza from Marylebone. Dau Jane b 1889.

Other children are

Frederick James
Thomas Henry and
Mary Eva all born by 1895 in Paddington District.

All the birth certs say mmn Phillips. and the last daughter was baptised as Mary Eva Phillips (no father, address workhouse) even though her birth cert has her as a Stead.

I have not been able to find a Stead/Phillips marriage

In 1901 all four children are in Stewkley, Bucks as boarders and all are called Phillips. Both parents are unaccounted for (presume they are not together, given that last bap!)

1911 James Stead b Stepney 1853ish is in a lodging house in Hammersmith. Says he is single which may well be true!

I have all I need on the children, who all carry on their lives as Phillips, but want to try and go back with James Stead (I've given up with Eliza Phillips as there are to many of them to work out without a marriage cert for her.)

[Merry]

I feel the children must have been sent to Stewkley for a reason, but I don't know the reason!

[Merry]

Charles Head m Emma Veale 1856 St Thomas Stepney.


Just realised that's a bit late!!

Too tired to do any more with this now.......Should have been doing h*******k today as children break up tomorrow!! Whoops! lol

[kiterunner]

There is an Emma Head birth registered Jul-Sep 1848 Bethnal Green.

This is the Veal family in 1841 at Baker's Row, Whitechapel:
William Veale 45 Hairdresser Yes
Martha " 40 No
Henry Veale 14 Yes
Frederick Veale 12 Yes
William " 10 Yes
Sarah " 8 Yes
Charles " 5 Yes
John " 3 Yes

That Head / Veale marriage is the same family:
5th Feb 1856 St Thomas's Stepney
Charles Head, full age, butcher, residence Stepney, father Alfred Head, master mariner,
and Emma Veale, full age, spinster, residence Stepney, father William Veale, hairdresser. Witnesses James Head and Sarah Husell.

So this is them in 1861:
Charles Head Head Mar 40 Butcher Middlesex Stepney
Emma Do Wife Mar 30 Do City of London
Harriet Do Daur 12 Scholar Do Bethnal Gr
Charles W Do Son 11 do Do Do
Sarah E Do Daughter 2 Berks Windsor
Frederick Do Son Under 1 mo Middlesex Stepney.

Looks as though Harriet is Emma's twin as they have matching birth registrations.

Soo, these people are definitely Heads and I shall stop looking at them and start looking for Steads!

[Merry]

lol Thanks Kate! OH told me the same thing (1861 census) - and I'm supposed to be pleased with him?!

This family are a bit of a nightmare!

EDIT - don't read this.....see next post!


If you need another challenge, then what happened to Thomas and Frances Stead? They married in Stepney in 1848/9 and appear together in the household of Frances' brother, James Townsend in 1851. I can't find anything on them after this. Thomas was a mariner so that gives him good reason to vanish, but Frances also seems to vanish. She was born in Puckeridge, Herts about 1825.

I had planned that Thomas was lost at sea and then Frances had a child (the James I'm looking for!) and then Frances had remarried/was living with someone else by 1861, so James had a different surname until he got married (but did he get married?). Additional reasons for wanting these to be the right people are that Thomas Stead's father was a cordwainer and James was a bootmaker. Also Frances brother was a James, so she could have named her child for her brother.

Sadly this idea isn't coming to anything though as Frances stubbornly refuses to reappear after 1851!

[Merry]

Fresh eyes in the morning!!

1881 bottom of the page....two people squeezed on to the last line, the first of those looks promising!

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7572&iid=LNDRG11_1_5-0396&fn=James&ln=Shead&st=d&ssrc=&pid=13012261

[kiterunner]

Ooh yes, that looks good.

[Merry]

1871, transcribed, and looks a bit like, Steel

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7619&iid=LNDRG10_13_16-0494&fn=Joseph&ln=Steel&st=d&ssrc=&pid=3974836

1861, transcribed as Head (last entry and over page)

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=8767&path=Buckinghamshire.Chipping+Wycombe.ALL.6.9&sid=&gskw=James+Head

[Merry]

Dead easy once you get going! lol

1851 Steede:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8860&iid=MDXHO107_1554_1554-0888&fn=James&ln=Steede&st=d&ssrc=&pid=566818

[Merry]

Hmmm....a marriage between James Stead and Frances X 1851-1861 isn't leaping out at me!

[Merry]

This is one of the children though


Name: Frances Steed
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1864
Registration district: Cookham
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 383


so at least that cert should help!

[Janet]

Had you seen this, Merry?
http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.stead/291/mb.ashx

And this?
http://boards.ancestry.com.au/surnames.stead/82.96/mb.ashx

By the by, not necessarily to do with anything, but on that 1861, squeezed under the name John Stead and transcribed by Ancestry as if it were some person by the name of Mesbeyan Chapell having no details attached to them, doesn't that look for all the world like Wesleyan Chapel? And what business does that have being in there?

[Merry]

I hadn't seen those specific messages, Janet, but OH is in touch with that lady and I think we have most of that information already. (though not all of it!)

I hadn't noticed the Wesleyan Chapel thing (it's not under John Stead, it's 6 lines above James Stead, which was far enough away for me not to notice it!!) and I guess it should just be in the address column.

[Janet]

Oops, sorry, that's what happens when you sit up later than you should staring at this stuff!