Robert Ash

[Asa]

I could really do with some help on this London chap. I'd love to find a burial and marriage for him.

He and his wife Jane had ten children, baptised at Shoreditch 1757-1761, Spitalfields 1765-1768, Bishopsgate 1775 and Bethnal Green 1780. Several baptisms give his occupation as plaisterer, though I never found any record of him in the Guild records. His eldest son John was apprenticed as a plaisterer in 1773 and achieved Freedom of the City by servitude in 1787 and one of his sons was admitted by patrimony.

The new Land Tax records on Ancestry show him in St Matthew Bethnal Green in 1780/81/85/86/87 and his widow Jane is there with the same neighbours in 1789/90/92/94. She's buried in 1806 at Shoreditch and still of the parish of St Matthew.

So it looks likely that Robert and Jane were married in the mid 1750s and that Robert died about 1787/88. I've searched St Matthew Bethnal Green manually for burials because as many people will know it's barely legible in places without success and I can't find him there or in any of the other likely churches. No sign of a will either.

[Phoenix]

If his son was apprenticed, it sounds as if the father possibly learnt his trade outside London.

Is there an Essex marriage index you can search, in case they came to London as a young married couple?

[Asa]

It's quite possible isn't it. I don't know to be honest. I've never ventured into Essex - will have a look around

[Phoenix]

The other thought is that you might find him as Hash - though it seems unlikely if the children are well recorded.

[Asa]

Thank you - I've never thought of Hash - only Ashe. There's not too much you can do with Ash is there:)

[Asa]

There is a marriage index for Essex - not sure how to access it yet though

[Phoenix]

Thank you - I've never thought of Hash - only Ashe. There's not too much you can do with Ash is there:)


I once sat through a talk on the Muvver Tongue. I did not recognise a recognise a reference to my own surname, it was so mangled!

[kiterunner]

There is a Robert Ash marriage on FamilySearch 16 Oct 1748 in the Fleet marriages in London, but it doesn't show the spouse's name and I can't find it anywhere else except on BMD Registers / The Genealogist where you would have to pay just to find out who he married, and of course his wife may well not even be called Jane. Also it is probably a few years too early. Can anyone else find it anywhere else?

[Phoenix]

Snap, Kite!

But that would mean a long, childless period.

[Asa]

I once sat through a talk on the Muvver Tongue. I did not recognise a recognise a reference to my own surname, it was so mangled!

I'm sure - plus mistranscriptions!

[Asa]

Kite, I'm pretty sure I've looked at that on the Genealogist before and not made a note of it - although Jane's age at burial in 1806 is 66 - even adding a few years, I think 1748 would be a bit too early for her last child being born in 1780. Of course there may have been other children born elsewhere

[Asa]

I've just been looking at baptisms parents name Robert and Jane on Ancestry no surname and have found another child under Ask. So there's another variation to look under

[Asa]

I had 1 credit left on the Genealogist so have had to check that marriage and he's a knitting frame maker who married an Elizabeth so I can rule that out

[Uncle John]

Knitting frame maker or framework knitter? Just being nosey.

[Janet]

Thank you - I've never thought of Hash - only Ashe. There's not too much you can do with Ash is there:)

Hâche/Hache, but looking around I didn't find anything that looked really useful.

[Asa]

Sorry John I can't remember now.

Thanks very much Janet - I guess he's just buried somewhere not yet transcribed :s