kiterunner
19-06-12, 10:15
Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions about this one which has been a problem for years!
Frederick Cheeseman is shown on the censuses as being born Newcastle Upon Tyne around 1877 and we have a copy of the GRO birth certificate showing he was born 16th Apr 1877 at 3 Rowell Place, Newcastle upon Tyne, father William Cheeseman, mother Margaret Cheeseman formerly Wright. Father's occupation Labourer. Informant M Cheeseman mother 3 Rowell Place Newcastle. Date of registration 23 May 1877.
By the 1881 census they are in Hackney, London:
Wm Cheeseman Head Mar 32 Bricklr Labr Surrey
Margt " Wife 26 Mid
Fredk " Son 3 Newcastle on Tyne
Ellen " Daur 2 Midx
Wm " Son 3 mo "
Ellen's birth certificate shows mother as Margaret Cheeseman, formerly Flanagan.
William Cheeseman's death was registered Apr-Jun 1888 Pancras age 40.
In 1891 Frederick and William are in Watford, Hertfordshire at a Pancras District school and their brother James age 6 is at Rottingdean, Sussex in what seems to be a convalescent home. I can't find Margaret or Ellen on the 1891 census nor the other child Margaret junior who should be 3, but it has been suggested they may have been in Ireland at the time.
This is the 1901 census for Margaret and the two youngest children:
7 Stephen St., St Pancras
Margaret Cheeseman Head Wid 45 Charwoman London
James Cheeseman Son 15 "
Margaret Cheeseman Daur 13 "
James and Margaret jr's birth certificates also have father as William Cheeseman and mother as Margaret Cheeseman, formerly Flanagan, so we know they are the same family although they never appear on the census with the older children. Also there are descendants who knew these people. But they never heard that Frederick had a different mother from the other children.
I'm trying to find out whether Frederick really had a different mother or not. I've had a look at the London poor law records on ancestry and all I could find was that Margaret Flanagan age 37 was admitted to Highgate Infirmary 7 Jan 1890 with acute bronchitis. I can't find any poor law records relating to any of the children on there, although I suppose they might turn up when the records are indexed.
Frederick, Ellen and William are in the London school admissions 23 Jun 1884 starting at Manchester Street School in Pancras, father William, address 94 Cromer St. Their dates of birth match the birth certs. Previous school is shown as Dutton St which looks to be St Peters National School, Dutton Street, Holy Cross, Pancras, but the records for this school don't seem to be on ancestry.
There is a William Cheeseman / Margaret Flanagan marriage 26 May 1884 at St John, Walworth, Surrey, both full age, he is a bachelor, labourer, father William Cheeseman deceased, she is a spinster, father Cornelius Flanagan, labourer. Marriage by banns with the bann dates 11th, 18th and 25th May. Both give their address as 12 King & Queen Street, which is in Walworth. So pretty far from Dutton Street where the children are supposed to have been at school around then.
There is a Margaret Flanagan on the 1861 census age 8 born Pimlico, Middlesex, with a father Cornelius, labourer, so this looks as though it could be the right marriage apart from the question of why they got married there instead of Pancras. If this is the right Margaret Flanagan, then her parents are together on the 1851 census and one of her brothers (Patrick) emigrated to Australia and his death registration shows his parents as Cornelius Flanagan and Margaret Fitz or Fits, so the surname Wright isn't their mother's maiden name.
I've suggested asking Newcastle Register Office to confirm that their copy of Frederick's birth certificate gives mother's maiden name as Wright. Any other ideas, please? I seem to keep going round and round in circles with this one and getting nowhere!
Frederick Cheeseman is shown on the censuses as being born Newcastle Upon Tyne around 1877 and we have a copy of the GRO birth certificate showing he was born 16th Apr 1877 at 3 Rowell Place, Newcastle upon Tyne, father William Cheeseman, mother Margaret Cheeseman formerly Wright. Father's occupation Labourer. Informant M Cheeseman mother 3 Rowell Place Newcastle. Date of registration 23 May 1877.
By the 1881 census they are in Hackney, London:
Wm Cheeseman Head Mar 32 Bricklr Labr Surrey
Margt " Wife 26 Mid
Fredk " Son 3 Newcastle on Tyne
Ellen " Daur 2 Midx
Wm " Son 3 mo "
Ellen's birth certificate shows mother as Margaret Cheeseman, formerly Flanagan.
William Cheeseman's death was registered Apr-Jun 1888 Pancras age 40.
In 1891 Frederick and William are in Watford, Hertfordshire at a Pancras District school and their brother James age 6 is at Rottingdean, Sussex in what seems to be a convalescent home. I can't find Margaret or Ellen on the 1891 census nor the other child Margaret junior who should be 3, but it has been suggested they may have been in Ireland at the time.
This is the 1901 census for Margaret and the two youngest children:
7 Stephen St., St Pancras
Margaret Cheeseman Head Wid 45 Charwoman London
James Cheeseman Son 15 "
Margaret Cheeseman Daur 13 "
James and Margaret jr's birth certificates also have father as William Cheeseman and mother as Margaret Cheeseman, formerly Flanagan, so we know they are the same family although they never appear on the census with the older children. Also there are descendants who knew these people. But they never heard that Frederick had a different mother from the other children.
I'm trying to find out whether Frederick really had a different mother or not. I've had a look at the London poor law records on ancestry and all I could find was that Margaret Flanagan age 37 was admitted to Highgate Infirmary 7 Jan 1890 with acute bronchitis. I can't find any poor law records relating to any of the children on there, although I suppose they might turn up when the records are indexed.
Frederick, Ellen and William are in the London school admissions 23 Jun 1884 starting at Manchester Street School in Pancras, father William, address 94 Cromer St. Their dates of birth match the birth certs. Previous school is shown as Dutton St which looks to be St Peters National School, Dutton Street, Holy Cross, Pancras, but the records for this school don't seem to be on ancestry.
There is a William Cheeseman / Margaret Flanagan marriage 26 May 1884 at St John, Walworth, Surrey, both full age, he is a bachelor, labourer, father William Cheeseman deceased, she is a spinster, father Cornelius Flanagan, labourer. Marriage by banns with the bann dates 11th, 18th and 25th May. Both give their address as 12 King & Queen Street, which is in Walworth. So pretty far from Dutton Street where the children are supposed to have been at school around then.
There is a Margaret Flanagan on the 1861 census age 8 born Pimlico, Middlesex, with a father Cornelius, labourer, so this looks as though it could be the right marriage apart from the question of why they got married there instead of Pancras. If this is the right Margaret Flanagan, then her parents are together on the 1851 census and one of her brothers (Patrick) emigrated to Australia and his death registration shows his parents as Cornelius Flanagan and Margaret Fitz or Fits, so the surname Wright isn't their mother's maiden name.
I've suggested asking Newcastle Register Office to confirm that their copy of Frederick's birth certificate gives mother's maiden name as Wright. Any other ideas, please? I seem to keep going round and round in circles with this one and getting nowhere!