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Can anyone tell me where this will would be and how to get it please...
http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&gsfn=francois&gsln=giacobbi&gsb2co=1%2cAll+Countries&gsb2pl=1&gsd2co=1%2cAll+Countries&gsd2pl=1&sbo=1&ufr=0&wp=4%3b_80000002%3b_80000003&srchb=r&prox=1&ti=5544&ti.si=0&gss=angs-b&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=18438694&db=UKProbateCal&indiv=1
Not sure if that link will work, but it is on Ancestry and it's
Francois Giacobbi
Probate date 15th July 1899
Death date 1st Oct 1881
Place of death California USA
Registry London England.
Also....
Marie Francois Giacobbi
Probate 5th july 1899
Death 12th March 1884
Place California
Registry London England.
Thanks.
kiterunner
10-06-12, 11:49
You need to order them from the Probate Service:
http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/copies-of-grants-wills
The National Probate Calendar has the entries, both in 1899:
GIACOBBI Francois of 522 Union-street San Francisco California US America land-owner died 1 October 1881 Administration with Will (Limited) London 15 July to Alfred de Bernardy genealogist. Effects £490 14s 1d.
GIACOBBI Marie Francoise of 516 Union-street San Francisco California US America widow died 12 March 1884 Administration (Limited) London 5 July to Alfred de Bernardy genealogist the attorney of Louis Camille Agazio Giacobbi. Effects £413.
It doesn't look as though Marie Francoise left a will, so all you would get for your £6 in her case is the letters of administration, but those might be useful if you want to know how she was related to Louis Camille Agazio Giacobbi.
Thank you......I want to know if they are related in any way to missing Agatha....lol
Durham Lady
10-06-12, 12:01
Ohhhh Nooooooo, not the missing Agatha :d
Ohhhh Nooooooo, not the missing Agatha :d
Probably not Daphne....buy Francois Giacobbi is just as hard to track down......lol
Mary from Italy
10-06-12, 12:52
Louis Agazio Giacobbi was on the California voters' register from 1888, and he's on the 1900 census in San Francisco with his wife and children. He says in the 1900 census that he was born in California in 1858, and his parents wre born in France.
Mary from Italy
10-06-12, 13:02
In his passport application he says his father was François Giacobbi, born Corsica, emigrated to the USA about 1852, died 1881.
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=1174&iid=USM1490_1472-0819&fn=Louis+Agazio&ln=Giacobbi&st=d&ssrc=&pid=625670
Mary from Italy
10-06-12, 13:09
Louis died in San Mateo, California on 15 Mar 1950, date of birth 15 Apr 1858, mother's maiden name Salicetti.
That rings a bell; I think we may have found her on another thread. Could be that this François was Agatha's husband, and he remarried to Marie after she died.
Tilly Mint
10-06-12, 13:15
I've sent a message to you, Libby.....i'm trying to give you a link but i can't get it to work....Lol
Mary from Italy
10-06-12, 13:16
I remember where I found Marie now; there's an Ancestry tree for her and François/Francesco and their children, which is just about compatible with her being a second wife after Agatha's death.
http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/9236518/person/-771367298
Mary from Italy
10-06-12, 13:20
You'll find them in the 1880 US census under the surname Jiacobi.
Thanks Jacky....have replied.
Mary....that's what I'm hoping for and also hoping (if it's the right person) there is some mention of whether or not Agatha had more children.
Francois (maybe this guy) married Agatha in 1848 in Paris. Then Agatha is supposed to be dead by 1851. Plenty of time for a very fertile young woman to have more children.
Got your pm and yes I will get the wills please....not sure if i need Marie's but might be interesting.
Also................there is an annoying reference to an A****a Giacobbi in USA. Every time I google, I come up with this woman. It's quite recent as well.
Mary from Italy
10-06-12, 21:40
It's just occurred to me to wonder why probate was taken out in London, when François, Marie and their son Louis lived in California.
The only reason I can think of is that they owned property there, for which an English probate was required. And if the Ancestry tree is correct, that François was born in Corsica and sailed to the US (presumably) from France, perhaps he never lived in England. In which case, I wonder whether he inherited property from Agatha?
I also wonder why the probate and admon weren't taken out until 1899, when François died in 1881 and Marie in 1884.
Looking back at some of the old Ariel threads, the references to Agatha's trust fund in the London Gazette only go up to 1899...
Alfred de Bernardy calls himself a legal genealogist in the 1891 census. Maybe he was a sort of Heir Hunter of the day?
Mary........I hope everyone here knows how I get when something about Agatha pops up......lol
Alfred de Bernardy calls himself a legal genealogist in the 1891 census. Maybe he was a sort of Heir Hunter of the day?
I've been thinking he was the man responsible for hiding Agatha from Libby...
Mary from Italy
11-06-12, 01:03
Looks as though my supposition was right (CW De Bernardy was Alfred's father):
De Bernardy's Index Register, for Next of KIn, Heirs at Large, Legatees, and of Unclaimed Property, in Great Britain, the Colonies and on the Continent from 1754 to 1856 [Hardcover]
C.W. De Bernardy (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Bernardys-Register-Legatees-Unclaimed-Continent/dp/B000QF74EY/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1339376377&sr=1-3-fkmr0&keywords=Bernardy%27s+index+register+next+kinheirs +law%2C+legatees+unclaimed+property+Great+Britain% 2C+colonies+continent%2C+1754+1856%2C+compiled+C.+ W.+Bernardy%2C...
https://www.familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Aalfred%20%2Bsurname%3A%22de%2 0bernardy%22%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1856-1856&collection_type=6
Mary from Italy
11-06-12, 01:17
This is the 1883 edition of the book, but I can't find Ariel or Giacobbi listed:
http://archive.org/stream/debernardysuncl00longoog#page/n24/mode/2up
Mary you are a legend girl....a dead set legend.
Now if only I can find a definite death for Aggie.....this might just do that with a little reference to her if I'm lucky.
You'll hear me yell from your place.
It takes me to leave the country for something more to pop up about Agatha! :d
I read this thread yesterday and had similar thoughts to those Mary mentioed in her earlier post. In paticular, these bits:
It's just occurred to me to wonder why probate was taken out in London, when François, Marie and their son Louis lived in California.
The only reason I can think of is that they owned property there, for which an English probate was required
Now if only I can find a definite death for Aggie
Did anything happen with the administration Mary found for Agatha?
Obviously not Merry...lol
Are you back home? Hope I didn't spoil your hols if you're still there.
Mary from Italy
11-06-12, 07:40
Sounds promising, doesn't it?
I think we need someone to look for Agatha's admon at Kew.
Sounds promising, doesn't it?
I think we need someone to look for Agatha's admon at Kew.
I understand that isn't a simple process, but I also think it could be worthwhile. Maybe you should put up a separate thread asking if anyone else has ever looked for a PCC administration from the 1850s, to get a first hand idea of the complexities?
Yes, I am back home and this was the first thread I read!!! :rolleyes:
Trained you well, then....lol
Hope you had a nice relaxing holiday...looks like you could need it....lol
I've put up a new thread.......not exactly sure what I'm even asking, but I did what you suggested......lol
You are all better at anything to do with Agatha than I am.
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