2 births and a marriage

[Kit]

I have the NSW marriage certificates for 2 siblings - Thomas Henry Thompson and Nellie Louisa Thompson. Both of them claim their parents are Thomas Thompson and Ellen Louisa Walters. Their YOB's are 1860 and 1868 given the ages.

I have found them on the 1861 and 1871 English census. Obviously Nellie is not on the 1861.

1861 RG10; Piece: 3993; Folio: 130; Page: 25

1871 RG 9; Piece: 2914; Folio: 63; Page: 31

Thomas married in 1885 and Nellie in 1904. I can't find their births, their parents marriage nor when they came to Australia. The parents were deceased by 1904 according to Nellie's certificate.

Can anyone help? I'm sure it is a case of my being blind but I still can't find them.

[Mary from Italy]

I've had a good look and I can't see anything obvious.

This might be the baptism of the sister Florence (from famsearch):

name: Florence Thompstone
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 07 Sep 1856
baptism/christening place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
father's name: Thomas Thompstone
mother's name: Ellen Louisa
indexing project (batch) number: I00980-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 438178

This is presumably the matching birth:

Births Sep 1856
Thompson Florence Newton Salford 8d 60

[kiterunner]

You have the census references the wrong way round, Kit.

And so we know what we're looking for, this is the census info:
1861 34 Cable St, Salford, Lancashire
Annie Butterworth Head Mar 32 Salford
James do Son 1 Do
Thomas Thompson Visitor Mar 35 Mechanic Manchester
Ellen Do Do Do 30 Salford
Florence do Do 7 Do
Thomas Do Do 1 Do

And 1871 at 45 Rosamond St., Chorlton on Medlock, Manchester, Lancashire
Thomas Thompson Head Mar 46 Mechanic Mchester C on M
Ellen L " Wife " 41 Wife to " " Salford
Florance " Daur Unm 17 Nil Mchester
Thomas H " Son 11 " "
Nellie L " Daur 3 " "
Charles L Beswick Lodger Mar 27 Salesman "

Now I'll see if I can find anything...

[kiterunner]

There is a Thomas Thompson birth registered in Salford district Jul-Sep 1859 vol 8d p 66, sub-district Salford Greengate. Can't see anything obvious for Nellie at the moment.

[Kit]

Mary that looks good. I saw the Florence Newton birth but was hesitant.

Sorry Kate. The birth for Thomas looks good. I even tried looking for Ellen instead of Nellie but couldn't find anything.

What is disturbing me is that I found a Florence Thompson n the 1881 census with her uncle Harrison Veevers. There is also a Thomas Thompson and Ellen Veevers marriage and reasonable baptisms on familysearch, except the place of birth is a long way from Salford. I can't think how Thomas and Nellie both got her surname wrong though.

[kiterunner]

There's a possible death for Ellen:
Oct-Dec 1875 Ellen Louisa Thompson age 45 Northwich vol 8a p 213.

[kiterunner]

There are some Thompson / Veevers births on Lancs BMD, in Clitheroe:
John 1849, Edmund 1851, William 1854 and George 1855.
This family in Clitheroe in 1861:
Thomas Thompson Head M 34 Engine Tenter in Mill Yorkshire Bashall E
Ellen Wife 37 Cotton Winder Lancashire Chatburn(?)
John Son U 11 Scholar Do Clitheroe
William 6 Do
Margaret Mother U 63 Yorkshire Waddington.

So I think this family is probably the Thomas Thompson / Ellen Veevers couple.

[garstonite]

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
Although John Thompson birth and baptism is not recorded - Edmund / William and George are ...all at St Mary Magdelene church ,Clitheroe..parents Thomas and Ellen - abode Clitheroe / occupation labourer
Edmund born 11th sept 1851 - bap 19th october 1851
William born 4th june 1854 - bap 25th june 1854
George born 11 december 1855 - bap 30 december 1855
allan
the marriage is also their 21st July 1849 - same church ....fathers names are given

[Kit]

Thanks Kate and Allan. So the veevers definitely aren't mine.

I didn't think of the OPC's. I'll have a look, thanks Allan.