Van Diemens Land

[Sue from Southend]

A William Underhayes was transported to VDL in 1835.http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?ti=5538&indiv=try&db=prisonregisters&h=101146
His sentence was for 7 years. Is there any way of finding out what happened to him after his release? I'm not at all sure whether he he is "mine" but I'd like to be able to eliminate him if I can't claim him!!

[maggie_4_7]

Well his trial was in Somerset are you expecting him to be there?

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&=%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c1%2c+%2c%2c%2c1%2c+%2c%2c %2c1%2c+%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c1%2c+%2c%2c&gsfn=william&gsln=underhayes&gsby=&gsb2co=1%2cAll+Countries&gsb2pl=1%2c+&gsdy=&gsd2co=1%2cAll+Countries&gsd2pl=1%2c+&sbo=0&sbor=&ufr=0&wp=4%3b_80000002%3b_80000003&srchb=r&prox=1&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-c&pcat=36&h=1349068&recoff=8+9&db=CriminalRegisters&indiv=1

[Janet]

Sue, if you run an Ancestry search of all collections and categories using William (exact) and Underhayes (exact) born 1815 plus-or-minus 5 in Taunton, Somerset, England you should come up with these 10 hits:


England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892

Tax, Criminal, Land & Wills
NAME:
William Underhayes
BIRTH:
abt 1815
RESIDENCE:
19 Oct 1835 - Somerset, England
UK, Prison Hulk Registers and Letter Books, 1802-1849

Tax, Criminal, Land & Wills
NAME:
William Underhayes
BIRTH:
abt 1815
CIVIL:
19 Oct 1835 - Taunton
RESIDENCE:
15 Dec 1835 - Portsmouth
Australian Convict Transportation Registers – Other Fleets & Ships, 1791-1868

Immigration & Travel
NAME:
William Underhayes
CIVIL:
19 Oct 1835 - Somerset, England
DEPARTURE:
1 Aug 1836
RESIDENCE:
Van Dieman's Land
Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980

Census & Electoral Rolls
NAME:
William John Underhayes
RESIDENCE:
1914 - Huon, Franklin, Tasmania
Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980

Census & Electoral Rolls
NAME:
William John Underhayes
RESIDENCE:
1919 - Huon, Franklin, Tasmania
Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980

Census & Electoral Rolls
NAME:
William John Underhayes
RESIDENCE:
1922 - Huon, Franklin, Tasmania
Tasmania, Australia, Index to Marriage Notices in The Mercury, 1854-1962

Birth, Marriage & Death, including Parish
NAME:
William J Underhayes
SPOUSE:
Annie Ada Fletcher
MARRIAGE:
30 Jan 1901
PUBLICATION:
6 Feb 1901
Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950

Birth, Marriage & Death, including Parish
NAME:
William John Underhayes
SPOUSE:
Annie Ada Fletcher
MARRIAGE:
1901 - Tasmania
Tasmania, Australia, Index to Marriage Notices in The Mercury, 1854-1962

Birth, Marriage & Death, including Parish
NAME:
Annie Ada Fletcher
SPOUSE:
William J Underhayes
MARRIAGE:
30 Jan 1901
PUBLICATION:
6 Feb 1901
Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950

Birth, Marriage & Death, including Parish
NAME:
Annie Ada Fletcher
SPOUSE:
William John Underhayes
MARRIAGE:
1901 - Tasmania

Is this one of Sylvia's Fletchers, I wonder? (Gert in Oz)

[kiterunner]

If he was transported in 1835 then he is extremely unlikely to have got married in 1901 or to have still been alive in 1922, surely? So as far as I can see, those 10 matches don't tell us anything about what happened to him after he was transported?

[kiterunner]

Ancestry has a database called New South Wales and Tasmania, Australia Convict Musters, 1806-1849 which contains a record for Wm Underhays in the Tasmania Ledger Returns for 1849, ship Henry Porcher 1836, trial Somerset 1835, sentence 7 (years). It also says V D Land 1847, sentence 15 (years?), position Port Arthur. So does that mean he had another trial in Van Diemen's Land in 1847 and was sentenced to 15 years? Was there a prison in Port Arthur?

[kiterunner]

And there is a death for William Underhays 27 Oct 1874 at Hobart, Tasmania, age 58(Australian Death Index on ancestry). No parents' names shown. Maybe we can find something on Trove (Australian historical newspapers.)

That William John Underhays who Janet found could be the son of this William, as there is a birth in 1874 at Kingston, Tasmania, of a William John Underhays, parents William Underhays and Ellen Boucher. Will see if I can find their marriage.

[kiterunner]

Okay, looking at Trove, William Underhayes was granted a Ticket of Leave 21 May 1841. There is a notice of the expiration of his transportation sentence in 1842. Not managed to find anything about his death yet or about the possible marriage, or the 1847 trial and sentence.

[Sue from Southend]

Wow, you have all been busy while I've been watching the Pageant! Thankyou

The reason I'm interested in this William is the fact that he was in Somerset as that's where my one might have been but he would be a bit older so I was rather hoping to find some other information about him.

I had found the stuff about him being transported on the Henry Porcher but not the possibility of him being tried again!

I don't have Worldwide so I can't check any Tasmanian census or Electoral Rolls but then again I'd have thought it highly unlikely that he'd be getting married in 1901!

Am I right in thinking that Australian /(Tasmanian?) death records give information on birth/parentage? Or am I imagining that?

[Sue from Southend]

There is an Australian death registration for a William Underhays in 1874 that I can't look at - could sks please have a look for me?

William John's birth is recorded as Underhays also but I can't even see a year!

[kiterunner]

See post #6, Sue.

[Sue from Southend]

Oops! Sorry Kite I read through all the posts too quickly! Back to the drawing board...

[Sue from Southend]

I've found some info on the Tasmanian Linc site. William is recorded as Underaze...
William John is his son and his wife was an Ellen McBrien.

Still giving dob as 1816ish so I'm still uncertain whether he's the right one or not!

[kiterunner]

Ah - he is Underaze on the marriage as well. William Underaze married Ellen McBrien 28 Jun 1873 Kingston, Tasmania. Presumably you can order a copy of the marriage cert from Tasmania and it will tell you the name of William's father.

http://www.justice.tas.gov.au/bdm/marriages/how_to_apply_for_a_certificate

[Mary from Italy]

Ancestry has a database called New South Wales and Tasmania, Australia Convict Musters, 1806-1849 which contains a record for Wm Underhays in the Tasmania Ledger Returns for 1849, ship Henry Porcher 1836, trial Somerset 1835, sentence 7 (years). It also says V D Land 1847, sentence 15 (years?), position Port Arthur. So does that mean he had another trial in Van Diemen's Land in 1847 and was sentenced to 15 years? Was there a prison in Port Arthur?

It says on the Tas Archives site that he was reconvicted under the name of Rheuben Underhayes:

http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=C&id=72092

[kiterunner]

Oh, thanks Mary! I did find some info about Reuben on Trove and it seemed a bit of a coincidence that Reuben was on trial in 1847 which was the year that William was supposed to be convicted again! I'll go back and have another look now.

[kiterunner]

Sue, I should think it would be worth you looking at the Reuben Underhays stuff on Trove yourself as there is quite a bit. He pleaded guilty to breaking and entering the house of B Roberts on 2nd September (1847) and stealing therefrom a ham, some pork, watering-pot, barley, &c.

There also seems to be a Reuben Underhay who is not the same person. :confused:

[Mary from Italy]

The conduct records are often very helpful, but hard to read (they may give the names of parents, siblings, wives, etc.).

You'll find two links to his conduct records here:

http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=C&id=72092

[Sue from Southend]

Many thanks for that Mary. How did you find it? I tried every which way to bring William Underhayes up on that site and couldn't find him - only as Underaze.
I'll have a good look at the conduct records and Trove later when I can get on the main pc.
Not sure if I'll send for the marriage cert. yet he's a bit of a twig on the tree but it might help prove whether his mother went back to Somerset.

[Mary from Italy]

I just searched for William with no surname and the name of the ship.

[Sue from Southend]

I've had a look at the conduct reports. He claims to come from Yeovil which is what I'd like him to say! No mention of parents though.

[Sue from Southend]

I've just looked at the price of a marriage certificate :eek:

$39.20 which is about £24 according to Google. Of course I could be wrong :o I haven't even looked to see how much postage to the UK would be!

[kiterunner]

You could use a transcription service instead which should work out cheaper, for instance:
http://home.iprimus.com.au/lturtle/tasmanianbdm.htm

[Sue from Southend]

Hmmm, according to this site http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html Tasmania didn't start putting fathers names on marriage certificates until 1896. Definitely not paying for a certificate or a transcription if that's right!

[kiterunner]

Oh sorry, I didn't realise.

[Sue from Southend]

Kite, you may appear to be a font of all knowledge genealogical but I really don't expect you know everything! I posted that page as I thought it was quite interesting for Australian research.

Thanks for all your help with William.