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Phoenix
05-05-12, 19:13
James Broomfield is the son of James Broomfield & Emma nee Killick.

He is born Dec qtr 1858, Westminster RD.

His father was born in Shalford, Surrey & was locally famous as a cricketer.

James senior appears to have died Dec qtr 1880, aged 48 in Guildford RD

Emma is shown as a widow in 1881, living in Send Marsh, Surrey (in Guildford RD) as a beer house keeper.

James junior's eldest son is b Jun qtr 1882 in Guildford RD. He is yet another James, shown as born in Send in later censuses.

Logically, James Broomfield junior would be in Send in 1881. His occupation on later censuses is saddler.

FMP doesn't like the name Broomfield or, indeed, much to do with this family. I cannot find him anywhere in 1881. Can anybody else?

I can't even find his marriage, though in 1911 his wife Emma says they have been married 30 years.
ElizabethHerts
05-05-12, 19:16
James Broomfield is the son of James Broomfield & Emma nee Killick.

His father was born in Shalford, Surrey & was locally famous as a cricketer.

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OH and I got married at the church at Shalford, as did my sister and my parents!!:)

My grandparents lived just along the road towards Guildford in the Great Quarry.

Happy memories.

I'll have a look for you, Phoenix.
ElizabethHerts
05-05-12, 19:18
Phoenix, did James junior marry an Emma too?
ElizabethHerts
05-05-12, 19:29
Is this him, married to Sarah, for 30 years:

1911 Census
BROOMFIELD, James
GUILDFORD, Surrey
Reference RG14PN3055 RG78PN108 RD33 SD2 ED4 SN152

BROOMFIELD, James Head Married M 52 1859 Saddle Harness Maker Publicans Kennington
BROOMFIELD, Sarah Wife Married 30 years F 52 1859 Assist In Business London
BROOMFIELD, Archibald Single F 23 1888 Carpenter Builder Ripley Surrey
BROOMFIELD, Florence Single F 17 1894 Send Surrey
BROOMFIELD, Minnie Single F 16 1895 Send Surrey
BROOMFIELD, Walter M 14 1897 Send Surrey
BROOMFIELD, Winnie F 12 1899 Send Surrey
BROOMFIELD, Beatrice F 11 1900 Send Surrey
DENBRY, Robert Herbert Visitor Single M 36 1875 Agent National Cash Regents Comp London
Phoenix
05-05-12, 19:45
Mum got married in Shalford church too, Elizabeth!

And yes, James junior clearly had no imagination.
Phoenix
05-05-12, 19:47
Whoops, missed your post. Yes, that's him in 1911.
ElizabethHerts
05-05-12, 19:48
I now think I remember us having this conversation before!

My Gran's funeral was held in the church too, and I cried bucket-loads. I have very happy memories of Guildford and Shalford. My Mum grew up there.

I haven't found anything promising yet, but will keep looking
ElizabethHerts
05-05-12, 19:49
I have found him in 1891, 1901 and 1911. However, not in 1881 and no obvious marriage.

Do you have any inkling of Sarah's maiden name?
Phoenix
05-05-12, 19:50
Drat, it is Sarah.

I didn't even notice that in 1901 the family is down as Brookfield
ElizabethHerts
05-05-12, 19:53
Yes, I was about to say they were mistranscirbed as Brookfield in 1901.

He should be easy to find, but isn't!
Phoenix
05-05-12, 19:54
None of the children seem to have useful middle names, and this isn't a direct line, so I have no certificates. I'll have a look for Sarahs born Bayswater, to see if that throws anything up.
ElizabethHerts
05-05-12, 19:56
Off topic, but they have gone for a modern layout in the church. I can understand the reasoning for flexibility, but I'd rather have the old pews. My Gran would hate it.

http://www.stmary-shalford.org.uk/pictures.html
Phoenix
05-05-12, 19:57
Hmm. There is a Sarah Preater in Croydon in 1881 and a Sarah Preater marries a James Broomfield in Lambeth in 1883.
Phoenix
05-05-12, 20:00
Off topic, but they have gone for a modern layout in the church. I can understand the reasoning for flexibility, but I'd rather have the old pews. My Gran would hate it.

http://www.stmary-shalford.org.uk/pictures.html

Mum would have been horrified. On the other hand, I remember taking her to an old Sussex church, and with her osteoporosis, there was no way she could sit comfortably in a pew.
ElizabethHerts
05-05-12, 20:02
Hmm. There is a Sarah Preater in Croydon in 1881 and a Sarah Preater marries a James Broomfield in Lambeth in 1883.

I kept looking at that one, Phoenix, but wondered if it was slightly late. (You said a son ws born in 1882?) However, it's a good area. Without buying ther certificate it would be difficult to know.
Phoenix
05-05-12, 20:19
Got him!

James Bloomfield [sic] at 6 Robin Hood Terrace, Sutton, aged 22 b Kensington, harness maker, lodging with *fanfare of trumpets* Henry Preater of Bayswater.

Thank you, Elizabeth, for nudging me in the right direction. Thank goodness I live in Croydon & travel regularly to Sutton, so recognised (belatedly) they were adjacent.
ElizabethHerts
05-05-12, 20:23
Fantastic, Phoenix!

And here is Sarah in 1881:

1881 Census
PREATER, Sarah
CROYDON, Surrey
RG11 piece 826 folio 65 page 25
Address: Belmont Villas Treyford, Wallington

SHARPE, Edgar Head Married M 64 1817 Accountant In P Office Elstead Sussex
SHARPE, Louisa Wife Married F 64 1817 Totnes Devon
SHARPE, Clara L Daughter Single F 25 1856 Esher Surrey
PREATER, Sarah Servant Single F 22 1859 Domestic Servant Bayswater Middlesex
MAY, Kate Servant Single F 20 1861 Domestic Servant Southwark Surrey
ElizabethHerts
05-05-12, 20:26
Wallington is just to the east of Sutton.

So pleased we got them in the end.:)