Baptism record for Susannah Owens

[Zoemcdougall]

Hi

I am looking for the baptism record for Susannah born in caerwys north wales, b 1791?,

Thankyou

Zoe

[Merry]

The register of Caerwys Parish, Flintshire 1790 on FMP:

Susannah daughter of Wm Owens and Margt his wife baptd 24th May

[Merry]

Other children baptised with apparently the same parents:

Peter 1792
Edward 1797
Elizabeth 1802
Ann 1804
Owen 1807 (this one says parents are of Rhos)

[Merry]

Likely marriage, though I can't see where the name of the parish is recorded (FMP says its a Flintshire parish, but not which one and the actual page doesn't record the parish name)

Wm Owens bachelor and Margaret Williams spinster both OTP were married by banns 22nd Dec 1789. Both made their mark, witnesses Methusalah Hughes (mark) and Wm Griffith (signed - serial witness)

[Merry]

Posts from one of your old threads:

1861 census at Gadlas(?), Kelston, Flintshire:
Robert Jones Head Widr 81 Butcher Denbighshire Gwtherin
William Do Son U 40 Farmer of 84 acres emp 3 lab Flintshire Caerwys
Peter Do Son U 31 Butcher Do Do
Owen Williams Grandson 8 Scholar Do Do
...some servants...
Peter Owens Lodger U 66 Independent Flintshire Caerwys

Peter may turn out to be Susannah's brother. It's often useful to go forwards as far as possible before going backwards, as you can pick up some clues like this from relatives on the census etc.


Can't find a will for Robert Jones. BUT... there is this...

1861
OWENS Peter. 26 November. The Will of Peter Owens late of Gadlys in the Parish of Llanasa in the County of Flint Gentleman deceased who died 10 October 1861 at Gadlys aforesaid was proved at St Asaph by the oath of William Jones of Gadlys aforesaid Farmer and Peter Jones of Gadlys aforesaid Farmer the Nephews the Executors. Effects under £450.

So now we know that Peter Owens was definitely Susannah's brother, which should help in checking if any baptism we might find for Susannah is correct. The entry above is from the National Probate Calendar, which is an index of wills. The will may or may not mention more relatives. If you want a copy of the actual will you can order it for £5 from York:

http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/1226.htm

[Merry]

It would have saved time if you had mentioned we needed a Peter as well as a Susannah!!

[Merry]

Also from the old thread:

There is a will of William Owens of Caerwys on the National Library of Wales site, from 1835, and he does mention a son Peter Owens and a daughter Susan, but he doesn't give Susan's surname so we don't know whether it's Susannah Jones or not. It's a start, though.

I should think this is the right will!

[Zoemcdougall]

Thankyou for help Merry & Kiterunner.

[Merry]

Burials:

Margaret Owens 3rd April 1848 aged 78 at Caerwys died 29th March. Address Rhos

William Owen 7th March 1835 aged 72 at Caerwys. Address Rhos.

[kiterunner]

I've sent you a PM (private message), Zoe, hope you got it?

[Zoemcdougall]

Thankyou for all your help, I am now looking for the baptism for susanah hushand Robert, b. Gwyntherin, but just be looking at the census records for him, in 1851 it has Jane as his wife not Susannah, unless of course I have been looking at the wrong Robert,

[Merry]

And his surname was? And he was born about when?

It's also helpful if when quoting parish names, you tell us which county they were in at the time in question.

[Merry]

Do you mean Gwytherin?

[Zoemcdougall]

Sorry surname Jones, I think Gwythrin is near Henllan, so I think that goes under the county of Denbighshire

[Zoemcdougall]

Yes Merry sorry for the spelling mistake,!!!

[Merry]

FMP only seems to have PR's for Gwythrin from 1813 and I'm guessing Robert was b some time before that!

[Zoemcdougall]

1786 I think he was born.

[Merry]

With roughly one bap a year for Robert Jones, it might be difficult to pick the right baptism even if we had access to the registers.

[Zoemcdougall]

Thankyou Merry. Researching the family with the surname Jones living in Wales is quite tricky. With the regards to the 1851 census do you think that would be a different Robert Jones to the one I.m looking for.

[Merry]

Please could you post what you are refering to and what you are comparing it with?

[Zoemcdougall]

Just looked again at the 1851 don't think I was right about Jane being his wife, but looking ancestry there is a few people searching for a Robert Jones, with Susanah as his Wife, also there was one that has parents name for a Robert Jones from Gwyntherin, but not sure if this is the right family either. names his parents as James b. 1749 d. 1830, born & died in Henllan, & Elizabeth. marriage 28th Aug 1776, Henllan Parish Church

[kiterunner]

Aren't Robert and Susannah the couple in Bryngwyn Isa in 1851, as per post #21 on the old thread?
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/Forum/showthread.php?t=9418&page=3


It shows Robert as being born about 1779-80 in Gwtherin, Denbighshire. Then post #22 has the 1861 entry which has the same info but living at a different address.

[kiterunner]

Just looked again at the 1851 don't think I was right about Jane being his wife, but looking ancestry there is a few people searching for a Robert Jones, with Susanah as his Wife, also there was one that has parents name for a Robert Jones from Gwyntherin, but not sure if this is the right family either. names his parents as James b. 1749 d. 1830, born & died in Henllan, & Elizabeth. marriage 28th Aug 1776, Henllan Parish Church

Also if you look at post #78 on your old thread, the Robert who was born in Henllan is still in Henllan on the 1851 census, so he isn't your Robert.

[Zoemcdougall]

Thanks kiterunner,

[kiterunner]

Oooh, Findmypast has the marriage between Robert Jones and Susannah Owens - Robert Jones of the parish of Ysceifiog, bachelor, son of William Jones, age 27, and Susannah Owens of this parish, spinster, daughter of William Owens, age 21, were married in this church by licence 5th August 1811, witnesses William Williams and Henry Jones. By Edward Hughes, curate.

I can't see anywhere where it says which parish this marriage took place in - they have it listed as Flint Banns, which is obviously wrong since they got married by licence. I would think the marriage took place at Caerwys, and the C of E Clergy Database confirms that there was a curate called Edward Hughes at Caerwys at that time.

So - Robert Jones's father was called William. Unfortunately there will be millions of those around! Still, it is unusual for a marriage cert from 1811 to give fathers' names, so we should be grateful for that.

[Zoemcdougall]

Thankyou once again for your help, Where is Ysceifiog?

[kiterunner]

It's very near to Caerwys.

[Zoemcdougall]

Thankyou, I had never heard of it before, I originally came from North Wales,!

[kiterunner]

The "of the parish of Ysceifiog" just means that was where he was living when he got married, but we don't know whether his whole family had moved there from Gwytherin, or just him.

[Zoemcdougall]

Thanks Kiterunner, sorry that I have asked so many questions.