Joseph Isaac MFFFMF

[ElizabethHerts]

mother's father's father's father's mother's father

I'm not certain that this is the father of my Ann Isaac, but it is seems increasingly likely.

link to daughter:
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=8621&highlight=Isaacs

Name - "official" name and what they were known as
Joseph Isaac

Date and place of birth
Probably 1741, Pimperne

Names of parents
William and Martha Isaac

Date and place of baptism
28 December 1741
Pimperne, Dorset

Details of his marriage
Groom's Name: Joseph Isaack
Bride's Name: Frances Charles
Marriage Date: 02 Nov 1778
Marriage Place: Aff-Puddle, Dorset, England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M15894-1

Children
Charles bapt. 31 Oct 1779 St Thomas Portsmouth
Joseph bapt. 14 Sep 1781 St Thomas Portsmouth
Frances bapt. 2 Nov 1783 St Thomas Portsmouth
Ann 14 Oct 1787 St Thomas Portsmouth

Occupation(s)
unknown
Perhaps went to Portsmouth to work at the Dockyard

Addresses where they lived
Pimperne and Affpuddle, Dorset
Portsea

Date, place and cause of death
unknown

Date and place of burial
unknown

Details of will / administration of their estate
unknown

Memorial inscription
unknown

[lozaras]

Elizabeth, why do you think those baptisms go with that marriage?

If you look at the map, although Portsea and Affpuddle are not too distant, Portsmouth is over 60 miles away as the crow flies.

[Merry]

Erm, it's Affpuddle that's a long way from Portsea and Portsmouth!

I guess Elizabeth chose that marriage because of the date and forename combination.

However, there are at least half a dozen burials for people named Joseph Isaac(s) in Portsea/Portsmouth, any one of which might be the father of Ann, so that name isn't particularly uncommon.

There is only one burial for a Frances though:

Fanny Isaac 4th April 1801 in Portsea - but as there is no age at burial we can't match it with a baptism for Frances Charles. :(

[lozaras]

oops - Google maps tricked me ;-)

It flagged Portsea at Weymouth :o !!

[ElizabethHerts]

Elizabeth, why do you think those baptisms go with that marriage?

If you look at the map, although Portsea and Affpuddle are not too distant, Portsmouth is over 60 miles away as the crow flies.

Portsmouth/Portsea was a magnet for people originating from other places, probably because of the employment provided by the dockyards.

As I say, this is speculation on my part. I should add I have the Hampshire marriage and baptism CDs so I have trawled the transcripts fairly thoroughly.

[lozaras]

Sorry Elizabeth - Google maps sent me on the wrong track ...

[Merry]

I have looked quite hard at various Dorset sites and CDs for evidence of Joseph and Frances remaining in Dorset after their marriage, but not found anything :)

[ElizabethHerts]

I have looked quite hard at various Dorset sites and CDs for evidence of Joseph and Frances remaining in Dorset after their marriage, but not found anything :)

Thanks, Merry! That is encouraging. My Portsea ancestors pre-1810 give me lots of headaches.

[Phoenix]

Thanks, Merry! That is encouraging. My Portsea ancestors pre-1810 give me lots of headaches.

I can only echo what Elizabeth says. One of my families came from Bere Regis area, moved down to the coast & then travelled by hoy to Portsmouth. I was lucky enough to make contact 30 years ago with an elderly man whose family had made a similar journey.

The rest of them are just there, in Portsmouth. As the parishes of Portsea & Portsmouth were so large, the pre 1812 entries are so brief that it is usually impossible to disentangle families. All you can be certain of is that most of them would not have been indigenous.

[ElizabethHerts]

Yes, Phoenix is correct.

My 3x great grandfather Thomas Quintrell was born in St Blazey, Cornwall. He went to the naval dockyard in Portsmouth to work, but returned to St Blazey in 1818 to marry his sweetheart Elizabeth Daddow. They returned to Portsea and raised their family there.

I have families earlier than that which are far harder to unravel. As Phoenix there, they turn up in Portsmouth, no indication where they were from.